DESAPARECIDA: Alicia Navarro

[00:00] Hi, Crime Junkies, it's Britt, and I have big news. One of my favorite seasonal shows, CounterClock, is back with a brand new season, and it is wild. Host Delia D'Ambra is digging into the 2008 Lane Bryant murders. I mean, this isn't just a recap. It is a reinvestigation. She's talking to law enforcement, people from the community, even sources who have never spoken publicly until now. And you know I love a show that asks all the questions. Listen to CounterClock Season 8 now, wherever you get your podcasts. [00:31] Hi, Crime Junkies. It's Britt. The case Ashley and I are discussing this week involves a missing girl who police believe may be in Mexico right now. [00:38] That's why, for the first time, we're releasing this episode in Spanish. Hosted by Milani and Emmanuel, our hope is that the Spanish-language version of Alicia's story will help us reach even more people, hopefully the right people, who can help bring this young girl back home to her family. [00:56] If you're looking for the English version of this episode, it's available in your feed right now. [01:00] Thank you for listening. [01:02] Hola Crime Junkies, somos Melanie y Emanuel, y estamos aquí en representación de Ashley y Britt para traerles una historia muy importante en español. [01:12] Hoy, quiero contarles la historia de una chica que pensó que finalmente había encontrado lo que por mucho tiempo estaba buscando. [01:21] a community, a place where I could meet people like her, make friends and finally feel like at home. But in the end, I found something, a lot of

[01:32] much more dark. [01:34] Thank you. [01:34] Esta es la historia de Alicia Navarro. [02:04] We'll be right back. [02:09] Temprano en la mañana del 15 de septiembre del 2019, en Glendale, Arizona, una mujer llamada Jessica Núñez está esperando que su esposo, Ivan, regrese a casa. [02:22] - Ivan trabaja el turno de noche, así que para Jessica, es una buena costumbre el quedarse despierta esperando que llegue para recibirlo y poder tener tiempo de calidad juntos mientras sus hijos están durmiendo. - ¿Puedo entenderlo? [02:36] At the same time [02:38] While Jessica is waiting. [02:40] Su hija mayor Alicia baja las escaleras por un vaso de agua. [02:44] Alicia tiene 14 años, a punto de cumplir 15 en menos de una semana. [02:48] and it is not unusual for her to be awake at this time [02:52] because it has a very active life in social networks. [02:54] Como Jessica le dijo a Sarah Turney in Voices for Justice, [02:58] Alicia often woke up until late, playing Minecraft, Roblox, or chatting with friends on Discord. And most of her friends are active on the internet in this day.

[03:09] Alicia has been diagnosed with a certain degree of autism, and although she has some friends in childhood, she has difficulty with social situations that are present with other people. In the Internet, however, [03:24] Alicia se siente más segura. [03:26] so it's much easier for her to create new connections and maintain those relationships. While Alicia is serving her water, she and her mom charla a little bit, and Alicia asks her what she thinks to sleep. [03:40] Jessica le dice que no se preocupe, que descansará un poco una vez su padrastro llegue del trabajo. [03:47] So Alicia goes back to the stairs and while walking, her mom looks at her once again. [03:53] And he said, "Good night." [03:55] and gives a maternal advertence. [03:57] Well, yeah. [03:59] No te quedes despierta hasta muy tarde. [04:02] Once Ivan finally gets home, Jessica gets up and wakes up again at 7am to start eating at his family. Ivan and his two children are already awake, but nobody has seen Alicia yet. [04:19] so they presume that she still stays sleeping. [04:21] Sin embargo, [04:22] While preparing the food, suddenly Jessica realizes something strange. [04:27] Ella ve que la puerta trasera de la casa está ligeramente entreabierta. [04:33] Aura. [04:33] No parecía que faltara algo en la casa, ni que la cerradura estuviera forzada. Era simplemente como... Como extraño.

[04:42] Exactamente. [04:43] So Jessica comes to the back of the house to look around and make sure everything is in order. [04:49] But instead of feeling better, [04:51] and calm her concern. [04:53] - [05:04] some sillas against the wall [05:07] so that it seems to be like to help someone out of the patio. [05:12] La familia, [05:13] It also has some blocks and a wall that descans against the same wall. [05:18] and near the seat have shoes [05:21] that they look like they were the same size as the of Alicia [05:24] The mind of Jessica is directly the only person who has not seen since she's awake. [05:30] ¿Alicia? [05:31] Jessica se apresura a subir al dormitorio de Alicia para revisarla. [05:35] But as soon as he opened the door, his heart came out of his chest and fell to the ground. [05:41] because Alicia is not sleeping in the bed [05:43] or wake up playing in your computer [05:45] Su habitación está [05:47] completely empty. [05:50] In that moment, [05:51] Jessica is shocked. Rapidly, she goes to call 911 and they tell me that they will send an official immediately. [05:59] But she can simply sit and do nothing while waiting for the police to arrive. Jessica calls a friend and asks her to come to her house to help her look at Alicia. [06:10] osea ella está planificando o moviéndose lo más

[06:14] as fast as possible to find her daughter. [06:16] or what was going on in the mind of Jessica in that moment it's like she just talked to Alicia and what you said all seemed to be fine or I don't know [06:28] Yes, that's one of the factors that aggravate the panic of Jessica, because as Jessica told me to Lost in Phoenix on the YouTube channel, they had had a great day the day earlier. They had had a good day of the day together, and Alicia didn't seem to be so sad or sad in the absolute. So, for that she had gone now... [06:49] Like she's not going to have a sense. Only the idea that someone took her is almost incomprehensible. [06:57] But the only thing that I'm interested in is that Alicia asks her mom what time she was going to bed. Maybe she was asking for planning. [07:07] Those same words are also repeated in the mind of Jessica. [07:12] She tells the officer about this when they arrive to the house to take the report. [07:16] While the official is there, Jessica lo passes through the patio trasero. [07:21] and shows the official the hues that found. [07:25] and she tells her theory about what she thinks happened. [07:28] According to the document Find Alicia Navarro, [07:32] Jessica believes that Alicia went for her account. [07:35] And as he thinks more and more about the things he saw in the back of the room, [07:39] como los bloques y la pala, [07:41] Jessica viene con una teoría sobre cómo Alicia podría haberlo hecho. Ella cree que Alicia salió y trató de juntar las sillas para subir y pasar sobre la pared. Pero cuando eso no funcionó,

[07:54] Decidió subir a los bloques que están en el patio [07:57] and then use the plate to mess it up and reach the top of the wall. [08:01] Jessica demuestra en ese documental como la pala está en una esquina y ella piensa que Alicia puso un pie en el mango y luego utilizó el otro pie para impulsarse hacia la pared y poder llegar a agarrar la parte superior de la misma y subirse y pasar por encima al otro lado. [08:21] Is the way that is the theory? [08:24] What can I say in based on the interviews Jessica has done in the last years [08:29] Suena como que sí. [08:31] A medida que pasa el día, [08:32] Jessica looks around the house [08:35] and while she makes a mental check of Alicia's things, to see if, by chance, something else, [08:41] You know [08:42] that some things are not yet. [08:44] Como Andrea Cavalier informó para NBC News, Jessica nota que el teléfono celular de Alicia, su MacBook, unas pocas piezas de ropa y una mochila pequeña ya no están. [08:56] But what was more of Jessica's attention [08:58] is that Alicia didn't carry her computer, or her laptop, [09:03] What could mean that he had the intention of returning home before he needed it. [09:09] Alicia also left the computer from her school and the computer from her house that she used for most of her games. [09:16] Ojalá pudiera darles un desglose completo de la investigación y guiarlos a través de cada uno de los pasos y las cosas que se han hecho, pero la verdad es que hay muy poca información disponible sobre exactamente lo que la policía ha hecho y en qué momento de la investigación lo hicieron.

[09:34] In fact, most of what we know about this case comes from Jessica Nunez. [09:39] O sea, a partir del primer segundo que Alicia desapareció, [09:43] Hasta que literalmente Ashley habló con ella hace un par de semanas. Ella está [09:48] afuera buscándola. Incluso el primer día [09:52] Ella y una de sus amigas salen a buscar a Alicia por el barrio. [09:56] They go to the street, talking to the neighbors, asking if someone had seen something, what it was. [10:03] or if they had cameras of security that could have recorded Alicia. They were trying to get any type of information about their daughter's apartment. Okay, I'm destroyed here. [10:15] "Por un lado, si alguno de mis hijos faltara, yo estaría haciendo exactamente lo mismo que Jessica." [10:21] But for the other... [10:22] Parece que la policía debería hacerlo también, especialmente teniendo en cuenta la condición de Alicia. [10:29] I suppose they knew about her autism, right? [10:32] No, but I see where you are. [10:34] Tal y como Jessica le dijo a la presentadora de Voices for Justice, Sarah Turney, ella asume que la policía va a ir de puerta en puerta como parte de su investigación. [10:44] So she is trying to find that balance between doing everything that is in her power for Alicia, without interfering with the investigation or the law. [10:53] And according to understand, she still still there afuera talking to people, but she is not doing anything beyond what she expects to do as a police investigation or the case. Okay, I understand, I understand.

[11:06] Al día siguiente, después de una miserable noche sin dormir, [11:10] Jessica se despierta ese lunes, decidida a seguir buscando. Y cuando entra en la habitación de Alicia, [11:16] hace un descubrimiento impactante. [11:24] Jessica, I find a note on the desk of Alicia's desk. I want you to read it for us. Okay, it says so. [11:32] I'll be back, I'll be back, I'll be sorry [11:36] Alicia, but wait, wait, wait. The police found this yesterday. [11:39] Well, when Ashley spoke with Jessica and the private investigator with whom she was working, they explained that she was who found the note that the 16th of September was the last week. [11:49] That same day, Jessica put a lot of pressure on the Department of Security Public Arizona to emit a "lertal" alert. [11:57] Los crime junkies más nuevos puede que no estén tan familiarizados con este término, [12:02] But in Arizona, where is Alicia, a "alerta of plata" is emitted when a person has more than 65 years old. [12:10] or a person with certain cognitive disabilities or development disappears. [12:16] And based on that definition, Alicia is absolutely due to autism. But the authorities doubt because of her age. [12:24] However, Jessica doesn't want to be able to be able to make her. She knows better than anyone that Alicia is in high risk due to her special needs. She is immunocompromised and needs to take medicine every day. She has difficulties with her.

[12:42] No puedo utilizar el transporte público por sí sola. [12:45] También tiene problemas sensoriales. Jessica hasta renunció a su trabajo cuando diagnostican a Alicia con autismo. [12:54] So think that Alicia is in danger [12:58] without the support that needs [13:00] without any love to be close. It's too much for Jessica, but at the same time, it's the fuel and motivation that serves to continue pressing and finally achieve the silver alert. [13:14] ... [13:14] She fought with uñas and dientes because there is nothing in the statute about the age requirements. And at the end, her persistence was worth the money. [13:24] The Department of Public Health Department of Arizona puts alert, turning Alicia to the first minority in history in having a silver alert for her. [13:34] The alerta is described as a person with autism with high functioning, mide 4 feet 5 inches of height or 163 cm and weighs 95 pounds or 43 kilos. [13:47] por lo que parece menor de 14 años. Ella tiene ojos marrones, cabello castaño largo y aparatos ortopédicos, o sea, braces, en sus dientes. La alerta continúa diciendo que ella podría llevar puesta una sudadera blanca y un mameluco de falda de maón tipo jean despintado. [14:06] But the Alerta de Plata only speaks to Alicia and no mention anyone who could have known and who could have been. And as they pass the days without the Alicia, Jessica begins to ask if Alicia could have gone to the house that night to meet someone who knew on the internet.

[14:23] She knows the habits of Alicia, like the fact that she prefers to go home, to go out of the house or to do things outside of the house, and also the fact that she doesn't tend to go out or go out of the house like other children with autism. [14:39] The "Leading" is not a lie and leaving, it is something that is not a matter of character, that it simply doesn't have any sense. [14:47] So Jessica knew that Alicia was in gaming and that he had a lot of time on the internet. Did you ever meet Alicia with strangers that she knew in those communities of gaming? [15:04] Well, they didn't get to find themselves, but there was an incident in 2017 where Jessica found some strange messages from a strange person that came from a unknown person. And Jessica thought it was a man, and someone that he had known on the internet. And we know what that said to that text. [15:24] Sí, pero no es algo de lo que Jessica o su investigador privado quieran que se hable una y otra vez. No hay pruebas de que este incidente esté relacionado con su desaparición dos años después del mensaje de texto, y no quiero distraernos de las cosas que son realmente importantes. Pero lo que sí te puedo decir es que cuando Jessica encontró el mensaje de texto en el teléfono de Alicia,

[15:54] in contact with her daughter. [15:56] Jessica aseguró [15:58] that Alicia will face the consequences. [16:01] Jessica le quitó su teléfono y habló con Alicia una y otra vez para que quedara marcado el mensaje de que no está bien que ella hable con extraños que conocía por el Internet. Ella hizo todo lo que se supone que un padre haga en esa situación. [16:15] and did everything possible to reiterate to Alicia that needed to be careful in the internet. Even the therapist of Alicia also informed this situation and also reiterated that she needed to be cautious with the strange. You know, you never have to give your personal information or send your photos to people. [16:35] And Alicia had told both to her mom and to her therapist that she understood. [16:40] And Jessica really believed that the message was clear and that Alicia understood that she should be precavida. [16:48] And you know, when Ashley talked about the history of Alicia, she could not avoid thinking about the horrible things, all the insinuations of the... [16:58] that they have seen on the internet about Jessica. People strange accusing her of being a bad mother, of not protecting her, a lot of lies. But the reality is that Jessica [17:10] ISO [17:11] And she said something that really marked Ashley. She said, "My daughter could have been your daughter. No me juzgues. Aprende de mí." [17:23] Jessica really did what she could in this situation.

[17:27] She spoke to Alicia about this and tried to educate her about the danger of the Internet. She didn't feel that she could take the Internet completely to her daughter, because it was the main source of interaction for Alicia and really improved her life. [17:43] It was where she could continue and build relationships and relationships that she simply didn't have in the real life. [17:50] you [17:51] Sí, la realidad es que mucha gente hace grandes amistades en el Internet y no siempre son experiencias negativas. Como menciona Britt, ella conoció a todo un grupo de personas en el Internet hace muchos años y todavía hasta el día de hoy se mantienen en contacto con ellos. Son gente que compartieron sus vidas, vieron a sus hijos crecer y se han acompañado por muchos años y son quienes son hoy por sus relaciones. [18:21] So, I think that's the same thing. [18:51] positive to who they are today [18:54] Mm-hmm. Es que todos los seres buenos buscan conectarse con los demás y encontrar un lugar donde se pueden sentir cómodos y entendidos, y Alicia no es la excepción.

[19:24] to eventually convince her to escape from home and find her. But for Alicia, a person like this would not be an extra person. In absolut, for her, it would have been a friend, possibly someone who had known in the gaming community where she spent a lot of time. Yes, and we know what the police think of this theory. [19:46] In this point in the investigation, they will not confirm or negate if they believe that the Internet is valid or not. [19:52] But what they recognize is that Alicia is in a high risk of exploitation due to her age, her small size and her autism. [20:01] As Jessica investigates more and more about what she can do to bring Alice to home, she can get in contact with organizations without fines and fines of lucro for children who are disabled and exploited. [20:12] and these groups agree that their theory is totally possible. [20:17] Well, of all that I've read about these games platforms on the internet [20:21] that are quite popular for children. There are modes multijugador with functions of chat, so if Alicia was chatting with a stranger who would have convinced him to escape from home, [20:33] - -

[21:02] No funciona así para chats de voz o video. [21:05] You can keep a record of when these chats happened, I'm not 100% sure. But without the recording, it may not be possible to know what happened or what happened in that video chat, or even who interacted with those chats and when. And, you know, [21:23] Juegos como este han existido por menos de una década, así que el aplicar una ley que cubra todo este nuevo mundo de la seguridad cibernética en videojuegos es algo demasiado nuevo. [21:35] Yes, even even the security controls for children, parental controls. I remember when I was a kid who put them in my house and then I shared them with my parents. Exactly, what they were thinking. And now I have much more knowledge of technology than my parents at that time. And as there are things that already the younger generations dominate much more than I or much better than us. [22:05] But imagine the police, which has to understand the policies and procedures of those platforms through different states and through different countries, which is something very complex. Yes, it has always been so. The generations are much more young with technology and are 20 steps ahead than us always. And by far we treat, we always will take advantage. And that is talking about us, that we are relatively young.

[22:35] even though they are even contemporaneous with their parents. So there is a difference abismal in the technology technology between them and this new generation. Or, the people who have the responsibility of investigating the cybercriminals, have much less knowledge than the young people who are using these platforms in the community of gamers. So it can be a mess for these detectives to keep this type of cases. Exactly. And it's exactly that what they use the depredators to take advantage of. [23:05] more knowledge, they can have the advantage over the police. Yes, and it's aterrador thinking about that and knowing that these depredadores know that the police have no knowledge or tools to get them and that there is no much that the parents or the law can do to stop them. [23:23] The 20th September, at only 5 days of the disappearance of Alicia, Jessica and her family have to deal with a disaster event, the birthday of the 15th birthday of Alicia. And as they had planned on how they would celebrate, Jessica has the hope that maybe, only maybe, that would be enough for Alicia to come back home. [23:43] As Jessica said to Tamron Hall during her participation in the program Tamron Hall Show, the 15th birthday of a girl is a great event in her community, and often is celebrated with a quinceaner, but Alicia didn't want that for her celebration of the 15th birthday. [23:59] In addition to a big party and a beautiful dress, Alicia had told Jessica that she wanted a red velvet pastel and to go to a luxury restaurant where she could try the meat filet for the first time.

[24:11] Jessica knew how important it was for Alicia to try new food, because her sensory problems limit the food she had to eat. [24:20] But now, with the disappearance of Alicia, there is a tear open in the arm of Jessica, and there is no such a jazzy. Only is the pastel that I had asked before that Alicia disappeared. [24:31] Decidida a superar el dolor y hacer que el día contara, Jessica hace un llamado en las redes sociales pidiéndole a voluntarios que llegaran a un parque local donde ella les reparte pedazos de pastel de red velvet a cualquiera que venga y ayude con la búsqueda de Alicia. [25:01] feliz cumpleaños Alicia. Es algo [25:04] That just destroys your heart. I really can't imagine it. [25:09] During the rest of September, Jessica does everything possible to keep the case of Alicia in the eye of public. [25:15] Continúa poniendo más carteles, letreros por todo Glendale y Phoenix, y da un sinnúmero de entrevistas en las noticias locales. Básicamente, si alguien le ofrece una plataforma para hablar de Alicia, Jessica va a estar ahí. Los medios nacionales también se interesan un poco por el caso de Alicia. Incluso Live PD hace un segmento con la policía de Glendale hablando sobre su desaparición. Y sus esfuerzos finalmente parecen estar dando fruto, porque 15 días después de que Alicia desapareciera,

[25:45] Jessica recibe noticias que renuevan sus esperanzas. [25:54] That segment of the Live PD about the disappearance of Alicia has been a very important point. According to ABC 15 News, a woman calls and tells the police that she saw a Alicia walking with a man near the Avenue [redacted address], and that both were taken by the hands of her. [26:13] And a second woman also calls to say that she saw Alicia in that same area. [26:19] How far is that area of your house? [26:22] Son como unos 10 minutos hacia el oeste. [26:25] But nothing in the material of Ashley's investigation is clear when exactly she saw her. And although it is not much for her investigation, for Jessica, honestly, is much better than anything. [26:38] But finally, these pistas don't have [26:41] the investigation in any part, and for the Christmas of 2019 [26:46] The case seems to have been cold. [26:48] The police of Glendale is kept Jessica in the latest information every time she asks her. [26:54] but without advances and without just pistas [26:57] Jessica queda. [26:58] por su cuenta. Como Kaitlyn Kinahan informó para The Arizona Republic, [27:03] She continues her own search for all the Glendale area and the metropolitan area of Phoenix. [27:10] saliendo noche tras noche por áreas inseguras de la ciudad buscando a Alicia.

[27:16] to see the cold and hard reality of life in the streets, as well as people with problems of consumption of control, [27:25] Really, being cara to cara with the most marginalized people in society. [27:31] That affects anyone. [27:32] But Jessica will not stop. She cannot stop. She has to keep waiting, keep praying, keep abogating for her daughter as soon as she becomes 2020. [27:46] While the time passes, Jessica is going to the police asking any advice about the case of Alicia. [27:52] and when they answer their calls, they provide information about the steps they took in the investigation. For example, they share how they tried to locate where Alicia was at night of her disappearance through their phone number. [28:07] However, Jessica is aware that the phone was opened the night that disappeared, so there was no way to go. [28:16] the police were able to get where he could have been [28:19] Además de tratar de rastrear el teléfono de Alicia [28:23] The police of Glendale tells Jessica that they did a dump in a cell phone in a cell phone in a cell phone near her house. [28:30] Ahora, lo que hace un Tower Dump es que en vez de buscar los datos de una torre para la actividad de un teléfono en específico, [28:39] Toma todos los datos de cada teléfono que utilizó esa torre. [28:43] So in a city with the population of Glendale, with Phoenix there next to you, that's going to be a ton of phones and a number of records that you have to analyze.

[28:55] Exactly, and even worse, there is no way to know if the person with which Alicia was that night was using his phone. [29:01] could have been using a phone call and all that analysis would be for nothing. [29:07] Bueno, y cuando escucho sobre esto, mi pensamiento inmediato, y estoy seguro de que el de cualquier padre, incluyendo a Jessica, tiene que ser algo similar, es si la policía investigó a esa persona que en el 2017 le estaba enviando mensajes de texto a Alicia, porque para mí eso sería lo primero que yo haría, lo primero que yo investigaría. [29:37] He is the private investigator who is working with Jessica in the case of Alicia. [29:41] Dijo que los investigadores no están seguros de si es la misma persona o no. [29:46] También dijo que a pesar de que Jessica hizo exactamente lo que se supone que se haga en una situación como esta al involucrar a la policía, [29:54] The police report is not detailed, so there is not enough information to determine if the incident is connected or not with the disappearance. [30:05] Well, honestly, I don't know what's worse if there are so many depredators there outside that Alicia has been in two different years, or if it's a same depredator that was manipulated and worked for two years consecutively. [30:23] It's that both scenarios are horrible. Exactly.

[30:27] But I have to imagine that those texts still are in the mind of Jessica while she talks to the police and tries to obtain all the information that she can. She also knows that the police went to the whole vicinity and close to the neighborhood to obtain videos of security. [30:45] También hablaron con compañías de transporte compartido y transporte público [30:49] They were contacted with groups and sexual offenders registered near the house of Alicia. [30:55] And that the FBI is also helping at least a little bit. [30:59] or in the things of the computer. [31:01] But despite that she faced a crisis inimaginable, she tries to be a good mother for her other children. No matter how painful it is, Jessica doesn't win. [31:13] work with private investigators [31:15] He still calls the police [31:17] And then, well, we all know what happened to the world in March of last year. Oh, actually, Ashley and Breed talked about this year and mentioned about the impact that would have this pandemic on criminal investigations, how they will solve the cases, how they are guilty, and how they are guilty and how they are responsible for all these events that occurred. [31:42] Odio que este caso sea uno de esos impactados por la pandemia. Sí, y esta es la situación con lo del COVID y esta investigación. No solo hizo que la investigación fuera mucho más lenta, pero como dijo Jessica en Voices for Justice, ya que todos empezamos a usar mascarillas durante la pandemia, esto dio a todos los depredadores una ventaja adicional de esconderse a simple vista.

[32:12] Mm-hmm. [32:14] And so, seeing the whole world impacted by the pandemic, and terrorized by the implications for Alicia, not only the fear that she contagia from COVID, but also how the crisis will affect Alicia specifically, having in mind her autism and her immunocompromised. This fear that all consume, as well as all other concerns about the safety of Alicia, is what leads to Jessica to the Anti-Predator Project. [32:44] Jessica has been doing all kinds of research on desaparecidos from Alicia's children, as part of her efforts to bring her daughter to home. And when she is with this group, a private investigator with whom she has been working, she is talking to her group for the first time in March 2020. Inmediately, this new association feels hopeful for Jessica. [33:10] A difference of the police of Glendale, which has to dedicate their attention to the crimes of all the cities, the Anti-Predator Project is capable of all their time to fight for infant exploitation. [33:25] Jessica aprecia cómo responden a todas sus llamadas porque son capaces de darle al caso la [33:31] attention that he needs. [33:33] Ella le dijo a Ashley que ella sabe que cada vez que necesite algo de Trent, él le va a contestar el teléfono y la va a ayudar, sin importar qué. También le mencionó,

[33:44] Que le hubiera gustado haber llamado al Anti-Predator Project desde el día uno de la desaparición de Alicia, pero simplemente no hay un manual de instrucciones para este tipo de situaciones horribles a las que estos padres se enfrentan. Alrededor del primer aniversario de la desaparición de su hija, Jessica se entera de otros potenciales avistamientos de Alicia. [34:14] Ser Alicia en la ciudad de McCook. [34:17] that is at least 16 hours in distance. [34:21] Jessica, once more, falls when she confirms through the police that the woman of whom she talked about [34:28] No era Alicia. [34:30] When finally comes the anniversary of the disappearance in September 2020, it becomes one of the most difficult moments in the life of Jessica. [34:39] The case is cold and feels almost desperate. But even in the dark hours, [34:46] Jessica is decided to keep the light of Alicia burning. [34:50] and even though they know that the technology used to bring her daughter and leave her home, she decides to try something new. And maybe... [35:02] Solo tal vez. [35:03] The technology can help bring Alicia back to his arms. [35:12] Jessica decided to start a TikTok account to help keep the case of Alicia in the public eye. Oh, does the same thing as Sarah Turney. Literally. So, one of the friends of Jessica in the church knew about Sarah and how she used TikTok in her mission to get justice for her sister, Alyssa. And that friend suggested that Jessica tried the same thing.

[35:35] And so, although she is naturally a person quite private, [35:40] Jessica crea una cuenta con el nombre Find Alicia Navarro. [35:45] Hasta la fecha, ha acumulado más de 250 mil seguidores y casi 7 millones de "Me Gusta". [35:52] When Jessica went to Sarah's program in February 2021 to talk about Alicia, [35:57] He also spoke about how they have evolved their goals for TikTok. [36:02] Obviously, she wants to be sure that Alicia is at home [36:06] but also wants to talk to other parents directly and say the things she wanted to know before this happened. [36:15] That's why we're talking about the story of Alicia Way. [36:20] And as well as [36:21] When we talk about dark things like infant abuse, talking about predators on the internet can be difficult. No parent wants to think about the worst of the worst of humanity, having access to their children. But the reality is that that is the world we live today. Honestly, I think this is something that any parent should cause terror. [36:44] I think many parents can react to this struggle to understand that their children live in this modern era of technology [36:51] and that have the world to their reach. [36:53] but also [36:55] siguen siendo niños [36:56] they need to be orientated and protection. That's what is the best way to balance the preparation of their children for the world they will face

[37:05] both in the internet and outside the internet, but also to keep them protected from this "reign of depredation" that existed in 30 years ago, that actually existed in 15 years ago. [37:17] Yes, it's a terrifying. And as you mentioned, children today have the world at the top of their hands. [37:24] but they still are in a age where they don't have the capacity to be responsible and take care of themselves as they should. So, they need a lot of protection and protection from the parents, and not to all parents make it easy to trace those lines and monitor their children. [37:43] And exactly why is Crime Junkie working on the Anti-Predator Project and supporting its mission to combat the treatment of people and depredators. Because we want to arm the parents with all the tools possible while they fight for their children safe on the internet. [38:04] I hope the children can listen to this story too, and understand that their parents do not do the things they do to molest them, but that they have to be careful and cautious with what we do on the internet. Definitivamente, if I had a child, this would be a episode that I definitely should listen to. Exactly. Now, when Ashley talked to Trent about the Anti-Predator Project, who, as mentioned before, has been working estrech with Jessica since March 2020, [38:33] One of the questions that he specifically made was

[38:36] What can they do to be proactive in keeping their children safe in line? [38:42] And this is what Trent has to say. [38:44] The recording that you will hear next is a translation of the message of Trent. [38:51] We lived in a crazy world with the expansion of the internet and really I'm a heart of seeing Jessica living with the blame and the lamentos because she really didn't do anything bad. [39:03] She is a fantastic mother and a great voice of what happened to her daughter, and it is a heart to see her all day what is happening. [39:11] Honestly, the real problem here, and we are seeing much more frequently with the new generations, and it's not a fault of anyone in specific, it's because we have this group of children who are growing with the technology, right? From the day 1, they have iPads, iPhones, smartphones, smartphones, tablets, phones. [39:30] Tienen de todo y están expuestos al Internet. [39:33] They don't have any idea of what was the Dialogue, they don't have any idea of what was the analog phone. We are dealing with children that technology is their world. [39:43] and are being raised by parents who didn't grow up with this type of technology, and frankly, they don't understand the same level as they are. And it happens that children are always going to be children, right? And when we were at that age, [39:56] También hacíamos lo mismo. [39:58] And we didn't say everything we did to our parents. We said: "Hey, this Saturday I'm going to stay at home with this friend." [40:05] But the reality is that we were there with our other friends, drinking beer or doing anything else. And we escaped with our wives or wives. And at that time, the consequences of our actions were.

[40:17] No eran tan graves. [40:19] Today, with the Internet, having access and using the Internet has given new tools to people with bad intentions. [40:28] And those people, with bad intentions, have access to our children at every moment. Before, you could teach your son to not talk to a stranger or to not get closer to a stranger. And if you saw a stranger in a common place, you would tell your teacher, police or any adult that you know. And then you could go to your house and close the windows and keep you safe. [40:51] Hoy en día eso no funciona porque esas personas malas están entrando a través de tu teléfono, o por tu computadora, o por tu tableta. [41:00] Así que es un tipo de peligro totalmente nuevo el que tenemos hoy en día, y el mejor consejo que les puedo dar, y le digo esto a todos los padres a menudo, es que tienen que estar bien involucrados con lo que hacen sus hijos en el Internet. [41:14] They know who they talk about, who they are in the internet, who they are in the internet, you know, you have to be aware of what is happening with them in that environment. And it's also a matter of using the common sense. [41:25] One of the things that most bothers me how to live today is seeing children from 8 or 9 years old with a iPhone in the hand. There is no reason for a child of that age should have access to the internet whenever he wants. [41:40] And I can understand that in the world we live today, things are different. [41:45] But every moment that that child has access to the Internet, also the bad people have access to that child.

[41:51] 24 hours, every time that that child has a phone in their hands. And we have seen how these people with malintention are infiltrating in these virtual games that are made for children, you know, children of two, three or four years. And we have seen these people entering these digital platforms in line to start getting access to them from those ages. [42:15] What was most impressed with what Trane said is that it's not a fault of any kind of parent in particular. The internet has access to depredators to any kind of child. Exactly. No only to gamers or to social media. They are in their house and have access to all of them in all parts. [42:36] O sea, totalmente, cuando se mueven en Internet, no solo estos enfermos tienen más acceso, sino que pueden esconderse detrás del anonimato de una pantalla, decir lo que quieran, fingirse el que quieran, y hacer que leer esas malas intenciones sea mucho, mucho más difícil. [42:52] It can be difficult for neurotypical people to detect this type of behavior inapropiated on the Internet. [42:59] Imagine for someone like Alicia who has difficulties reading social messages and identifying the intentions of people. Right. And back to that, that children are not able to be able to take care of themselves themselves. [43:12] The no interaction with strange people in the real life is much easier to explain and to execute because it is more obvious and easier to identify. These depredators on the internet are disfrazen and create false identities to mix with children and make them pass

[43:27] for other children of their age, with similar interests and that go to the same school, and it makes them much more difficult to identify and react and protect themselves. [43:39] And as we have been talking about through the episode, a father can do [43:43] todas las cosas correctas y aún así caer en esta misma horrible situación. Es por eso que queremos escuchar de Trent sobre lo que los padres deben hacer si sucede lo peor y su hijo desaparece. [43:56] We have been working on this from many angles, because the history of Jessica is not unique. And if I had a dollar for every father who told me, I can't believe that this was going to happen, I wish I had done things differently. [44:09] Ya fuera un tipo muy muy rico. [44:11] So now the best advice that I can give to a father is that obviously, you have to go to the police and report what happened. You have to ensure that the police is informed and that they will work with the case as well as possible. But then, you have to contact a company that is qualified. And I mention this because, unfortunately, there are many organizations and groups there afuera that, although they have the best intentions when they involve this type of case, many times they end up doing more well than well. [44:41] Así que deben contactar a una organización cualificada, ya sea un grupo investigativo, un grupo de conciencia, cualquier organización cualificada que pueda comenzar de inmediato a traer recursos y regar la voz. Que puedan empezar a regar la información y la foto de tu hijo a la población lo antes posible. También deben empezar a llamar a los amigos de su hijo, a los maestros de la escuela, a las personas de donde por lo general su hijo pasa más tiempo.

[45:11] pasa mucho. Tú sabes, en especial si el caso de tu hijo lo catalogan como un escape o que se fue por su cuenta. Es un gran error pensar, bueno, si se escapó por su cuenta, va a regresar a casa en algún momento. No te sientes a esperar que regrese a casa. Ve a la casa de sus amigos, ve a lugares que el niño pasa más tiempo y contacta a una organización cualificada que pueda ayudarte a [45:41] We have been working with several things. The case of Alicia is basically that force that is pushing us to work with these new projects. One of the things that we are working with and that we are communicating with other organizations to work together is that we have the Amber alert, we have the silver alert, but the reality is that to qualify for some of those alerts, you have to comply with certain requisitos. [46:11] hours, days and sometimes even weeks. And when some of those alerts are activated, it's been a long time. So we're trying to work with that and we're collaborating with a friend who works for a company that has a technology that can be able to send alerts through phone calls and social media. And in these moments, we're working with them to develop a system that will allow parents to send alerts just when their children disappear.

[46:41] and also this can be used by the same police. [46:45] because the police also has to follow all protocols and the list of requirements to activate these alerts Amber or Plata. So this would be a useful tool for the police and parents to get to the population and use the people to find their children. To share with the people the description of the event, description of their children, and to get to a larger network of people in a way faster than a Amber or Plata. [47:15] and only starting to create this system, [47:19] Y no estamos seguros de cómo vamos a conseguir todo el dinero para financiar esta herramienta. Pero es una de las cosas que estamos trabajando, porque el tiempo es demasiado valioso. Y Jessica tiene razón. La policía hoy en día, en especial en este mundo en donde vivimos, que se sigue quitando recursos y la policía de por sí carece de suficiente personal cuando tomas en cuenta el tamaño de Glendale o del área metropolitana de Phoenix, y empiezas a sumar todas esas personas desaparecidas y niños desaparecidos en la zona [47:49] de personal que tienen realmente es bien cuesta arriba y nosotros trabajamos muy de cerca con muchas de estas agencias de la ley y del orden que están cortos de personal y que nos llaman y nos dicen, hey, [48:01] Ustedes pudieran darnos la mano. Así que es bien importante cada segundo cuenta y la policía más que nunca está en una situación bien difícil y se les complica el poder manejar.

[48:12] All right. [48:26] The police, Jessica and the Anti-Predator Project believe that everything was started on the Internet. [48:31] No saben cuándo o dónde exactamente en el Internet Alicia se encontró por primera vez con esta persona, [48:37] but they believe that they made friends for a long time. They got their confidence and convinced them to leave home to meet them. [48:46] They believe that when Alicia realized that this person was not who thought she was, it was too late. [48:54] Jessica has not been able to find her, and has been a defender of her. [49:00] I'm sorry. [49:09] and trying to avoid that that accident happens to other families. [49:14] It's agonizing for her to give all these interviews and revivir the pain that no one had to have to face. [49:22] But Jessica understands the power of these platforms and wants to take advantage of them. [49:27] Llevar la historia de Alicia y su foto a la persona indicada podría ser una gran diferencia. Podría ser también la comunidad que resuelve este caso. [49:36] people like you [49:38] Crime Junkies, [49:39] people who pay attention [49:41] And Jessica is decided to keep people paying attention. Because as she said to Ashley, and I'm going to say,

[49:48] No me doy por vencida. [49:50] No soy una de esas madres que se van a quedar calladas. [49:54] The Department of Police of Glendale is still working on this case, and the FBI is still involved trying to obtain information from the computer. [50:04] that he left in the house. As mentioned, [50:07] Part of the things that make this case so complicated is that no one of the agencies investigating the case is trained enough to obtain the information necessary for these computers. [50:19] and it's for this that the FB has to intervene and collaborate. [50:24] And it's not only the Department of the Police Department of Glendale who has this problem. [50:28] Different departments of the police across all the United States also face this situation. And it is one of the things that the Anti-Predator Project is working on to change. [50:39] One of the projects they want to work in the next year is creating a foreign laboratory cibernetic laboratory that will help the law and order in the 50 states [50:49] Thank you. [50:51] and try to prevent abuse before they start, and bring children safe to home. And that's, as well as the incredible work they are doing. [51:03] all the days in the street trying to find children like Alicia and support parents like Jessica. [51:09] Incluso apoyando a los padres a superar y manejar este tipo de eventos, situaciones. Sí, exacto. Y es que es básicamente su misión principal y es la razón por la cual ellos hacen lo que hacen todos los días. Y aunque ellos hacen gran parte del trabajo y se tiran a las calles a buscar a los niños y a investigar, realmente bien pocas personas, por no decir nadie, son capaces de obtener la información necesaria en las computadoras.

[51:39] these problems. Exactly. Now, thanks to all in the fanatics club and those of you who have been listening to their announcements, AudioChuck was able to give 60,000 dollars to the project of anti-depredators. [51:54] Lo suficiente para financiar sus operaciones durante todo un año. [51:59] But if you want to help you do even more than what they do in a normal year, there are several ways in which you can help. [52:05] You can go to www.antipredatorproject.org to make a donation deducible of impuestos. Or you can buy something in your line of clothes at www.getapparel.org, with all the donations going directly to the organization. [52:26] Before we leave, there is one last thing we want to mention. [52:30] Thank you. [52:30] If there is a possibility, [52:32] Incluso el más mínimo destello de esperanza de que de alguna manera, en algún lugar, la propia Alicia esté escuchando esto. [52:42] Alicia. [52:43] I just want you to know that you are loved. You are loved and loved all the words. And no matter what happened that night, your family doesn't want anything else to see you back home. [52:56] Nadie está enojado contigo, no importa lo que hayas hecho o lo que te haya pasado. Eres amada. Tus padres te aman, tus hermanos te aman y nada, realmente nada en este mundo nunca te amará.

[53:12] "Nunca cambiará eso" [53:14] Si usted tiene alguna información sobre la desaparición de Alicia Navarro, por favor llame al Departamento de la Policía de Glendale al 623-623-623-623. [53:24] 930-3000. [53:27] *Music* We will link the video to the Anti-Predator Project in the description of the episode and on the web of Crime Junkie, along with all the material supplementary of the case. [53:48] Lo pueden encontrar en www.crimejunkiepodcast.com. [53:58] Ashley y Britt volverán con un nuevo episodio la próxima semana. [54:02] you [54:03] you [54:04] you [54:06] you [54:06] Crime Junkie is an AudioChuck production. So? [54:10] What do you think, Chuck? Do you approve? [54:16] Okay, crime junkies, you know I absolutely love a twist and a turn, especially when it comes to people who turn out to be someone they're not. That's why I have been obsessed with the podcast Chameleon. Every Thursday, host Josh Dean deep dives into a scam so bizarre, it will leave you wondering, how did they get away with that? [54:34] It is truly one of my favorite podcasts right now, and I've been listening for years. [54:38] I think you'll love it, too. [54:40] Listen to Chameleon wherever you get your podcasts.