Fight Companion - September 6, 2025

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:19] Rowdy. UFC, UFC. [00:23] We good? Alright, we're live. We're live, ladies and gentlemen. Here we are! [00:30] in the fucking house. Brian Callen. Brennan Schaub. Let's go. Let's go. Fight your opinion. Jamie, send me the link so I could... Did you send it to me? [00:39] All right, we'll tweet it out to let all the folks at home. Look at Paul Felder. [00:45] Looking like a guy from the 40s. Do you know what he majored in in college? [00:49] Dance. That's right. Theater. Theater. Yeah, I know. It is funny. It is so funny. [00:55] It is funny. He was at the comedy store one night, and I was like... Can you phone me at LinkedIn? [00:59] Yeah. He was at the show and he was like... [01:02] I was like, do you watch a lot of stuff? He goes, well, I majored in theater. [01:06] Bisping did not major in theater, and he's booking a ton of roles. He did the commercial I wrote. [01:11] Yeah, but I'm talking real roles. Oh, yeah. Yeah, your commercial is for UFC guys. He's booking, like, movies. Is he really? Yeah, like, legit movies. Bro, that guy. He's crushing it. You want to talk about a guy who has had to struggle. [01:23] His fucking neck was so bad, dude. He could barely get out of bed to do podcasts and do his commentary work, and then he's in bed most of the day after that. And he has one eye. His one eye. Yeah. He's had his neck fused like three different times. Really? I was on the plane with him when he was in a, he was in this right after his surgery with that, you know, brace, and he was miserable. I go, how are you doing? He goes, hey, you know. Bro, he's been miserable for years. God. Like, in intense pain for years. But he's better now, right? Yeah.

[01:53] better [01:54] We hooked him up at Wasted Well. He got two knee replacements. So he's got two fake knees. His neck is all fucked up. Offer him a fight tomorrow. He's like, I'll take it. Wow. [02:07] How about his last fight ever? They're like, hey, man, are you down to fight Gaslam in China on eight-day notice? Yeah, right after you just lost the GSP and got dropped with a left hook. He's been fighting since he was 14, man. 14. You can see video of him here. He's the face of European MMA. [02:24] He's at Mount Rushmore, if they had one over there. [02:26] Bro, he was a beast. He was a beast in his day and fought undersized, you know, for a lot of his career at light heavyweight. Yep. [02:33] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [02:36] Just the fact that the guy won the world title with one eyeball. I mean, imagine you've got a wife and a family and a future. You're in your 30s. [02:44] I still have one eye. [02:46] But here's my thing. It's so crazy. It's so gay. You wear an eye patch. Is it such a gangster? It looks funny. Like that? Like... [02:53] You have, like, your retina detached, and, like, you can go blind in the one eye you do have. And he got his retina detached in that eye, too. Yeah. Oh, my God. What's crazy is... Because you have one, and you're doing a sport where you can definitely lose your eye. Yeah. No doubt. What's crazy, though, too, is the commissioner was like, ah, he's good. Well, you know what he did? He memorized the fucking scale. [03:11] That eyeball thing? We read the top chart. That's a junkie for fighting. That's crazy.

[03:21] And this fucking guy... [03:23] Yeah. [03:24] fights 10, 11 fights in the UFC with one eyeball. He's a legend. Legend. Unbelievable. Just mental tough. This is going to be an interesting fight. Benoit Sandini and Mauricio Rufi. Yeah. Rufi is fucking crazy at 155. He's like a Brazilian Conor. [03:41] But he's huge. It doesn't make any sense that he is 155. He's like 6'2". [03:48] He's strong. 6'2". He's huge. He's undefeated in the UFC. [03:53] Bro, he wheel kicked Bobby Green into another dimension. He's super talented. Cardio's the only question. Hasn't fought competition. Is he only 5'11"? It says on Google. God, I don't believe that. Google be bullshit. I think he's taller than that. Come on, Jamie. Come on, bro. It says 5'11", 156. In my fantasy, he's 6'2". I believe he's taller than that. [04:12] I've seen him standing next to like Trickus Duplessis and all these other guys. He's like, he's fucking tall as shit, man. Tough fight for your boy BSD in his hometown. Yes. BSD, he takes some chances, man. He does, but the thing is like... [04:27] In striking, Rufi has a giant advantage. [04:31] And Rufy's not a slouch on the ground. And Benoit Saint-Denis, really good at judo. Some of these guys would fight at 55 when you see them. Like the fact that Michael Chiesa was able to make 55 at one point in his career is so ridiculous. He walks around at 6'2", 200 pounds. They tore their fucking kidneys apart, man. Just break your fucking... Huge. Yeah, you're drying your organs out like an old sponge. Like your Rodriguez at 45, that's ridiculous. Would you say Khabib was the biggest 55-er? No, Gleason.

[05:01] I think that's the one guy that should have beat him. If you look at the record, you know, you look at, like, Khabib's got an undefeated record. There's an asterisk, and that asterisk is Gleason. Gleason Tebow, that was a very fucking close fight that I thought... [05:14] Khabib lost, but it was early in Khabib's career. [05:17] It was before he won the title. But to your point, Khabib, 55, biggest at the championship level. Yeah, I guess. Khabib was never world-class. No. Well, he was world-class, but he was never... Well, I'm talking world-class in the 55 division, like top five. [05:34] He was never like tip of the spear. Well, if you think that he almost won or could have won, he definitely could have gotten that decision over Khabib. He's right up there. Yeah. But he's, you know, early in Khabib's career, to your point. There are 55ers way bigger than Khabib. After a while, these guys, their body just can't do it anymore. It's like, you know, how many fights can you have where you can still fight at your potential? Look at the size of T-Bowl. [05:57] That's so ridiculous. I saw him. He was well over 200 pounds. Oh, yeah. I saw him at top team, and I couldn't believe how thick he was. Bro, he's so thick. It made no sense. He had a perfect physique. Well, dude, the craziest thing to me is Pereira making 85. Oh, that's the nutty. That's the nutty. Hands down. I met him. I was like a jack 235 once, and he was way bigger than me. And I was like, how the fuck does this guy make 185? And his hands. Let me take that back. He's tall to me. He's longer than me. Every part of him is bigger than me. Like, how does this guy make 185? The craziest one was Rumble Johnson. Yep, yep, yep. Rumble was crazy. [06:27] Dude, I was doing Warrior with him. He was 235. Fighting at 170. Dude, he fought at 170. When I say 235, I remember saying to Sam Sheridan, I go, I feel bad about myself. He goes, why? Because I'm looking at fucking, I didn't grow. Like, I didn't look at him. Like, I want to look like that. I just want to look like him. And he sucked down to 70. It was the craziest shit ever. Well, look at the size of him in the lower right. He got juicy. There's a lot there where he just got it. That's where I met him. When he was fighting at 170, I was like.

[06:56] 12 years old. What did he die of? Did he get sepsis or something? Something with his liver. God damn. It might have been liver. It might have been some kind of a liver cancer or something. He was so talented, too. He came to our gym in his prime, and the coach was like, are you right or left hand? He's like, whatever you want to do. He's like, well, left or right, man. He's like, literally, whatever you want to do. [07:18] And he was like, 230 pounds. We're all, oh, shit. Okay. Organ failure due to complications from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. [07:26] disorder. [07:27] And he had it for a long time. He knew he had it. That's horrible. Remember when he said, I'm retiring for other things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. [07:36] Terrible. And then he died shortly after that. That's crazy. [07:39] It happened to my friend. Just died. We didn't know, but he had bone marrow cancer. We didn't know. He went to a restaurant, didn't he? [07:47] Via Veneto, my boy Fabrizio, one of my favorite people. And he just – [07:51] He stopped answering texts and I was like, you know, what's going on? And he goes, no, I'm good, brother. I'm just taking a break. Not you, but just like, you know, I'm taking a break and relaxing. [08:00] And I was like, this doesn't make sense. Turns out he was in L.A. [08:02] And then I think he got septic or something like that. His family keeps it close to the vest. But that was a good buddy of mine. But just crazy that I get a call and says, hey, he passed last night. But this is Brian in a nutshell. We do the show Monday. I'm like, hey, Benny. He's like, oh, yeah. [08:19] My friend died. Jesus Christ. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm not good with emotion. It's hard when someone dies because it doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel real. Especially if you don't see them dead.

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[13:14] It's so fucking bad. You loved it? I remember you called me after. You loved it. Does it have a traction issue? [13:19] No. Navac. No. Giant-ass fucking wheels. Mid-engine, giant-ass tires. The widest tire you can buy on a production automobile. But Joe would drive that shit, and then he calls me. I'm like, I need to figure out a way to get one. I need to sell some shit. Me too. God damn it. Me too. It's such a good car. They nailed it, man. First of all, they nailed it with the mid-engine, with the Corvette, the C8. [13:43] And then this is that times a thousand. I remember one time, I don't know anything about cars, and Joe pops the hood of this new Porsche he had, and he kind of like, he went like this. The way you do a magic trick, he goes like that. And I was like, oh, man. And you said something about it being dual aspiration. I was like, dual? You don't even know what I said. I don't know what the fuck you were saying. Dual aspiration. I'm like, what? You just made up a term. Yeah, I was like, oh, man. It has aspirations. It's inspirational. It was some dual thing. I was like, oh, man. It's got two lungs instead of one. [14:13] He's just making things up. That's what I heard. I heard duo aspiration. All right, so this is the first fight. [14:21] Gomez is very good. He's from France. That's that dude right there. Very good striker. [14:27] And then who is this gentleman? [14:29] Some white guy. That guy looks like they plucked him right out of Kentucky. Poland or Kentucky. [14:38] Hmm. [14:38] I've never been to Paris. I've had a layover there once in the airport. I have no desire to go. Great city. Great city. I have no desire to go. How do you say that name? Richala.

[14:51] Anybody who's fighting in France usually isn't French. It's like by way of like Russia. You know what I mean? Armenia. [14:57] Yeah, France is very heavy in terms of its immigration. Yes. A lot of immigrants. Yes, a lot of old cheeses. Including Francis. Francis Ngannou. That's where he went. Oh, that's right. But even with Imovov, you know, that was the buildup to this fight. They're like, he's not really French. You know, he's originally Dagestanian. Yeah, or Russian maybe, right? I think Dagestanian. Yeah. Yeah, your fave. [15:15] Yeah, my favorite. Every time there's a daggy standing here knocking somebody out, he's like, are you jerking off, Callan? Huh? All of those daggy nuts? Huh? Jerking off. You're jerking off their nuts, man. Like, look at the way they control their top control, their flow wrestling, their transitions. How about that guy who sent you guys in the text message chain today? Oh, dude. That young kid, the Muay Thai kid. That axe kick, that axe kick. The thing about that kid, though, is I don't think he's a grappler. I think it's just Muay Thai. That's why he's fighting in one. It's always weird when you see a daggy and he's good at stand-up and not wrestling. What the fuck have you been doing? How about that? Yeah, well, that's Shara Bullet. [15:46] Six foot at 145 is kind of bananas. Oh, Cher Bullitt's fighting Paulo Costa. [15:50] Oh, that's a good... Here's another guy with one eye. Yeah. Share our bullets out of his fucking mind. Yep. Yep. [15:56] He's a big boy. How the fuck is he passed? What's the commission doing? You're good. He doesn't fight in America. Yeah. [16:02] Where we have rules. No, didn't he find... I don't think he fought in America yet. [16:08] I don't believe so. Did he? I think you're right. [16:11] I don't believe he's fought in America. [16:14] They're like, you just stay out there. [16:15] I thought it was going to be tricky for Hamzat to fight here, but once Trump became president, they said, come on in, buddy. First round. If you want to sync up to us, it's 452, 451, 450, 449, 448.

[16:27] Here we go. First round. [16:28] This is a very good card, though. Great card. Especially the last two fights. For the locals, too, there's a bunch of big names in France on here. If you're watching local MMA, all the top stars on this card. They stacked this one right. [16:42] Yo, our boy Kentucky can move. [16:44] Is he from Kentucky? He is now. Gordon, you should take a couple MMA fights and just turtle up. [16:50] They've all been in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, they're all in a part of the world like, my friend, not a problem. [16:58] Not a problem, my friend. He did film a movie in Hollywood, though, so they allowed him to do that. Sure, they allowed him to come over here briefly. And he was a pirate. They probably put an ankle monitor on him. 100%. He's not hard to find. That's true. Just find that red-bearded guy with one eye. He was a, you know... [17:14] Yeah, his only hiccup was Michael Venom Page. Well, that just shows you how fucking good Michael Venom Page is. That's the puzzle. I like MVP at 85. Yeah. I love my 85. Yeah, man. Well, no struggle. The Cannoneer fight, I was like, ah, the size. This is where he might meet his match. We're like, man, he fucked him up. He fucked around too much. But the third round, Cannoneer got him on his back. That's on MVP. If you have a guy at that caliber hurt, fucking finish him, dude. Don't wait around. How about Cannoneer at 42? He looks like he's made of metal. He is. Hand me that lighter, buddy. [17:44] - Yeah. [17:45] MVP because he's like so hard to take down because he always has down block hands. Yep. So all the punches come from the bottom and he also has a down block. Yeah. But then once he actually gets put on bottom, he couldn't get up. Those guys with that point fighting style are so hard to touch.

[18:00] Because they're so used to playing that tag game. [18:03] And their ability to close distance is nuts. Yeah, when you're an athlete, his speed. Oh, accuracy, too. [18:10] I mean, he makes everybody look stupid. He made Kevin Holland look stupid. He just looked stupid. I wonder what they do with an 85, though, because you start going towards those upper echelon guys, it gets dicey. Well, it's going to be interesting to see. [18:22] It's going to be interesting to see. As long as he doesn't fuck around like he did in the third round with Cannoneer, I think people are going to have a really hard time even touching him. Early on, for sure. He's just so fun to watch anyway. I would keep him as a... He's just so entertaining. There's so many super fights for him. 100%. Did you see what he was saying to the Cannoneer? Calm down. Chill, bro. Chill. I know. In the middle of the fight. Chill. After he punched him in the face. [18:44] Chill. Chill. Like, what do you do to that? Nothing. What do you do? Guy just punches you in the face. And he's telling you to chill. And you swing at air because it's just like, oh, God. Think how good Ian Machado Gary is. I know. People sleep on Ian. He's such a beast, man. Yeah, you can't. Well, it just shows you how good Shavkat is. Yeah. Right? The only guy that's ever beat him by decision. Yeah. I mean, that was a good fight. They're doing Shavkat versus Sean Brady. That's a good fight. I love that fight. That's a real good fight. That's a real good fight. I love that fight.

[19:14] him to not take the title shot. Wild. [19:17] Yeah, I mean, it must have been a serious... He had surgery. I know he had surgery. But apparently, before the Machado fight... [19:23] He was not going to take that fight. Like, he's that injured. [19:26] But he took that fight, won that fight, and then had to get surgery. He had a lot of hype, too, and then just kind of went... Yeah, people forget, man. There's so many good dudes. You know, Carlos Protas is coming up. How about that fucking... Jeff Neal. Now he's fighting Leon Edwards. Protas versus Edwards. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's on Mass Square. Is it Mass Square Garden, Jamie? Protas is so much taller than I thought. I'll get you some with that. Oh, my goodness. That's a tough fight for Leon. That's a tough fight. That kid's an animal. [19:52] Pratt is smoking cigarettes, drinking. I can't. Machado Gary beat him. Yep. [19:56] People sleep on Ian. He had Machado hurt, though. [20:00] He dropped him, remember? [20:01] Is it Madison Square Garden? [20:02] So, yep. [20:04] So Brady's fighting Shavkot? [20:06] Yeah. Wow. I like that fight a lot. Brady's a little baby gorilla. Brady was impressive when he fought Leon. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He did most of the things right to keep him down. [20:17] Yeah, and he's got like... [20:18] extra layers of muscle on his back that make him look like a turtle. Yeah. Who is his loss to? Who did he lose to? Balal Muhammad. Balal. Balal, stop. He got beat up bad. Look at that fight. But he learned from it. Edwards versus Procter. Dude, how about Procter's just smoking cigs? Yeah, I know. It's crazy. It's like Joe Schilling. I love it. It's like whole persona is basically like, I want to prove you can be degenerate. Yeah. And still fuck people up. Well, he can. Yeah. He's doing it. He's that good. But also...

[20:45] over a hundred fights. [20:47] Really? Yeah. Really? Muay Thai, kickboxing, MMA, over 100 fights. You're a talented guy. [20:53] Under 30. [20:54] Come on. Right? How old is he? How old is Prataz? I think he's 28. That's like those Russian amateur fighters. 32? Yeah. Oh, is he really? Yeah. That's like Russian boxers. Their amateur careers will be like 150 fights before they even turn pro. Bro, the craziest guys are the ties. [21:09] Bullock Kyle just fought recently. He's 43. I think he has 287 fights. So insane. [21:15] What? So insane. But I think you've won 287 times. Yeah. But that's boxing in general and kickboxing in general. Like even the state, that's typically how it is. Like those young dudes have so many amateur fights. But we're used to the Jake Pauls and this shit and people just jump to the top. Right. Where it's kind of watering it down. Yeah. They're brought up with people that are at their level slowly, especially with boxing. Speaking of boxing, what do you think about like next weekend? Canelo? Can't wait. Oh, Canelo Crawford. See, I don't think it's going to be that entertaining of a fight. What? [21:45] Thank you. [21:45] What makes you say that? Why? I mean, I guess if Crawford takes some chances, but he's jumping up such a high weight class. Canelo, by decision. I'll tell you what, though. Crawford looks thick. You see the photos of him that he put on his Instagram? He's got big legs. I know. He's fucking jacked. So it's a man to piss test. That's a good question. You think it makes him faster? That's a good question. Piss test? How dare you? But, B, I'm not sure. I don't think he's doing anything, but he might be. Yeah. I'm not sure, though, that his skill is... Look at that. Come on, son. [22:12] Game on! Week one starts now and every touchdown brings you closer to a payout with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Every touchdown could hit big. Don't just watch the game when you can win with it. DraftKings Sportsbook brings the unmatched intensity of the NFL straight to your fingertips.

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[24:23] Mm. [24:25] Is it that long? Yep. He's great in his life. Madrimov was two years ago? Well, the thing about Errol Spence, though, you've got to remember, Errol Spence... [24:32] crashed his Ferrari and flipped it and flew out and landed on his head. He got fucked up in that car accident. I know, but I don't think it had anything to do with it. I think Crawford's just got a firefighter. No, I had to do something with it. A guy that gets that fucked up. Crawford's so good. He does that to everybody. Crawford's so good, no doubt. He was ejected from his Ferrari. Yeah. Landed on his skull. It is crying. It's like he was fine. [24:55] Go back there. I can't take that consideration. Look at that. Callan, you need to take a screenshot of that and bring it into the bathroom. Dude, it's burned in my mind. It's burned in my mind. [25:02] into the bathroom later. I'll start crying. [25:04] That's fantastic. When you come, you're going to cry. [25:08] I'm full of shame. As you're coming, oh, no. And then I'll watch it. Then I'll look at it again. And then you look at yourself in the mirror. [25:15] Think about it. [25:18] In boxing, so you've got Canelo Crawford. You've got Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather. That's happening. That's happening. [25:23] And then you have Jake Paul, Javante Davis. That's the state of boxing right now. That's crazy. Let that sink in. Jake Paul, Javante Davis is so crazy. 135 versus 200. That is so nuts. Are they all exhibitions? None of them are. Yeah, they're exhibitions. But what does that mean? It just means nobody wins. It's weird. I don't want Jake to assume it. It's not like a real scrap. [25:48] It's not real. Really? So they're not trying to knock each other out? No. Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather don't like each other. They have not liked each other forever. Tyson and Mayweather. Yes. Mike Tyson and Mayweather don't like each other. If there's a fight, that might be real.

[26:01] Like where Mike Tyson might say, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out or I'm going to try. Yeah. [26:05] To knock this motherfucker out. [26:07] They wouldn't fight. Yeah, because if you look at the Jake Paul fight, no disrespect. And if you look at the Roy Jones fight, no disrespect. They look like they're sparring. [26:15] Right? It looked like there was agreements made. Working. I do not know if Mike would honor any of those agreements. Really? If there was a moment to crack. It had to be for years. Yeah. If there was a moment to really crack. [26:27] Could he hit him? I mean, that little motherfucker can move still at 50 years old. He's so slick. Yep. [26:34] He's still in shape. He's still fit. They're both old as fuck. Old as fuck. But this is the boxing. How old is Mayweather? [26:40] 67. Dude, Bernard Hopkins is still the best in the world at 50. Yep. [26:46] I mean, that's incredible. That doesn't mean shit, though. With this. Because he was active fighting contenders. Kentucky's got Gomez on the ground. [26:54] You're talking about two retired guys fighting the exhibition. That's so weird. It's just money grabs. It's so weird, though. Yeah, it is weird. It's money grabs. I don't like it, but it's fun. You know, it's something to watch. I'll tune in. I'll hate on it, but I'll tune in. Yeah, I'll tune in. It's, you know, but it's not really fighting. So Jake Paul's not going to actually be trying to knock out Gerard Davis. There's a reason it says exhibitions. If I had a guess. [27:15] Yeah. [27:16] The event itself would be a world-class venue Would be presented to a global audience With new in-ring technology elements That will reshape how boxing is presented And scoring is achieved for years to come What does that mean? That shit has Abu Dhabi written all over it What does that mean? This is Tyson versus Mayweather What does that mean? Where are they doing that? Are they doing that in Saudi Arabia? But of course But of course Because they have all the money My friend And they just go, what do you want to see? I'd always like to see Floyd

[27:40] Tyson. Who wants to fight an alligator? [27:45] These fucking dudes have so much money. They got that oil money, dog. I'm really curious about Crawford Canelo. Yeah. Because they're actually kind of the same size, same height. [27:55] They're not the same size. It's just different. They're not the same size. They look pretty much the same size. Once it made a career fighting at much heavier weight. It would be like a 135 or jump up to 170. They're the same size. Frame-wise. But one guy made a career fighting at 170. But right now they kind of are the same size. Well, right now. But one's a naturally gifted, bigger guy and has competed at world-class level at that heavier weight. You can't say they're the same size. You're going to change your game when you go up that much. Yeah, you're not going to be as fast. [28:25] And one made a career at their weight cards. The other one's just doing it for a money grab. He hasn't fought in two years. Well, he's doing it for Legacy, and he is, like, he prepared for this. It's not like he just went, had a fight at 147 and then jumped up to 68 three months later. That's a big jump, though, isn't it? He did a lot of training, put weight on, like real weight. [28:47] We'll see. I'm interested in that. Just because I think Crawford's that good. I just don't think... I think there's a problem with boxing. They built these things up like... [28:55] Jake and Tyson and people think to me this great product or Crawford and Canelo. There's not much action. Bro, I'll tell you who's the real fucking deal. [29:06] Moses [29:07] Moses Atoma. [29:09] Do you know who that motherfucker is? That giant 20-year-old heavyweight? Oh, yes. Bro. Did you see what he did to Dillion White? Yes, he's a pro. Bro.

[29:18] He's a problem. That guy's a real problem. Is he only 20? 20 years old. He's just slightly older than Tyson was when he won the title, so he can't be the youngest guy to ever win the title. Damn. This motherfucker is so fast. He moves like a middleweight. I know. [29:32] Here's I, Tom. Look at that. Watch this guy. Look at that. [29:34] That's that Samoan, Samoan or whatever it is. Bro, look at the fucking skill. Yeah. [29:39] It's the skill, the movement back and forth. Dylan wants no joke either. Dylan wants no joke. Look at this shit. Look at this shit. [29:44] It would be nice if you said his name right. It's Dillian, but it's all right. [29:47] Bro, he tuned this guy up. One round, man. I mean, again, White is past his prime. He's also gotten beat up. White's gotten... Yeah, sure. Tyson Fury beat him up. A lot of guys beat him up. But this is the test you want for this young contender. It's the way he did it. He did it like I'm a world champion. Mopped the floor with him. Didn't Deontay Wilder start him as well? [30:08] Oh, I don't know if they fought. I don't know if Deontay fought Dillian White. They're trying to do Deontay, Wilder, Francis. They're talking shit to each other. Take my fucking money. See, that's not an exhibition. The MMA boxing, take my fucking money. But Crawford Canelo is not an exhibition bum. Who do you think gets knocked out in that one? [30:25] At this stage of the game? I don't know. You know what the problem with Wilder is? He did all that ayahuasca and he's too friendly. Whenever someone does too much ayahuasca, I'm like, oh, he's losing. Or any ayahuasca. Do you want to be a fighter? He did the interview at one time. He's like, I just lost it. [30:41] I lost the killer. Really? Ayahuasca took his darkness. That happens to a lot of guys. Really? Yeah, they come back and they're just like too sweet. Some say all of them. Too sweet. My buddy just came back from doing a 10-day ayahuasca retreat. He's made billions of dollars. And he goes, I go, how was it? He goes, it was intense. And I go, oh, that's cool. And he goes, I just have a deeper appreciation for my friends. Fuck you. Did you say that? It was great. He goes, I thought about you. I was like, oh, boy, this is getting awkward. I was rock hard thinking about you.

[31:08] You should say, hey, give me some money. I know. While it's still high. Pay my mortgage. Before I swear to my alimony. Before this wears off. Cut me a check. God. Did you tell Rogan that time he did ayahuasca? [31:21] It was mushrooms. I don't want to get into that. What did you do? No, no. It got real bad. Tell him. He did the God dose or whatever? He didn't mean to. He did the God dose? I did three grams, and I was in Mother Earth's vagina. And then I did four more grams because I was invited to take more medicine. And the son sucked me into his mouth and spit me out into one of the upper rings of hell. No, no, but tell him what you're doing in real life. Don't tell him what the words are saying. So I'm going to just say this. I was – apparently I was – because I thought I was in hell. [31:51] asking for a manager, I was asking to speak to a manager. - To help? - Yeah, 'cause I needed to get out of there, 'cause I was like, I need to speak to a manager. - I'm not supposed to be in hell. - I don't believe I'm a good person, I just tripped into a portal, I need to get home. - But help him the realtor, he was curled in a ball naked, farting profusely. - My buddy goes, "You were in a fetal position farting." [32:09] So loud. Screaming. And screaming a lot of different words that you're not allowed to say.

[32:32] mushrooms anymore. Well, just don't do seven grams when you're troubled. You made me eat a whole chocolate bar on this podcast. You had to. You see that video? If you look at me in the video, I'm like this. [32:43] It had to be done. [32:44] Yeah. [32:45] But that's like three. [32:47] Three is reasonable. You get to around five and things get very strange. Then you start meeting aliens. Joe, now that you've stopped alcohol, are you smoking more weed? Allegedly. [32:59] I thought you stopped smoking weed I don't know why [33:04] Hmm. [33:05] They got to make that shit legal. [33:07] I've got to talk to the big guy. Yeah. [33:10] Donald, you want to make some friends? Text him. This is how you go. This is how it goes. You want to make some real friends? They won't know what to do. Dude, he's in... See what he's doing right now? In Chicago? This is one of the funniest things ever. They are now saying they're going to look into... [33:24] taking gun rights away from transgender people. So what happens now is liberals have to defend gun rights. I love it. I know. It's genius. This is like the ultimate trap. This is like the ultimate trap. It's like, do they fall into this? It's like the meme of the guy sweating with the two buttons. [33:44] First of all, he says things that he doesn't mean. Like, it's wild when a president says, we're looking into taking away Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. You can't do that. [33:54] I saw a meme yesterday and I was like, imagine Rosie O'Donnell moves to Ireland to escape Trump and then McGregor just becomes... [34:00] He's very well, Mike. He really might win. I saw some video he posted campaigning for. It's at like 50 million views. Apparently he has like 60% in the poll.

[34:12] Wait, who's this? Conor McGregor being the president of Ireland. Wow. He just did like that. You know, that motherfucker is basically Arnold Schwarzenegger, but for us, for the UFC. [34:22] You know, movie star, two-time world champion. Now he becomes president. Actor. Actor, that's what I'm saying. Well, there's a real movement, you know, in England and in Ireland. [34:34] because of this sort of, like, unchecked immigration. Well, dude, Elon's gone off the fucking chain, too. Yeah. Elon's making posts like, you guys got to fight back. Oh, yeah, man. Because people are getting arrested in England just for posting stuff on social media about it. Bro, they are arresting thousands of people in England. Didn't they say 1,400 a day? Graham Linehan, the guy who was on my podcast. Yeah. He left my podcast, went back to England, and they arrested him. What? Oh, wow. Graham Linehan. I just had Tommy Robinson online. You know who Tommy Robinson is? Yeah. [35:04] for a documentary, and I just had him on. He got arrested for a documentary? Yes, dude. He did 18 months. [35:09] What? He just got out. He just did the podcast. What was the documentary about? It was basically about his hometown, which he grew up to. It started out with one mosque, and now there are 49 in his hometown of Luton. I think it's called Luton. Wow. [35:21] And basically just talking about the grooming gangs and stuff. [35:25] um, [35:26] So it is crazy what they're doing. It's just a new check immigration the hiking band. Yeah [35:34] Clim, you can't go for climate change. You're not a lot of kidding. I watched a video yesterday. I find you $28,000 a veteran of a veteran like takes a video like hey I'm with the guys here. I'm not on camera because we're not allowed to record them and

[35:47] But they said that if I walk into the woods here, [35:49] I'm gonna get a $28,000 fine. Are you fucking kidding? So he takes a video of him, he walks three feet into the woods, walks out, [35:55] And there's a video of him at the desk saying it's a $25,000 fine plus like $3,000 in taxes and victim fees. [36:04] Canada is such a mess. Well, they are what we can be if we're not careful. If you have the wrong people running the country, Kalyan Omar, if all these tights, I mean, if it got to a point where some of these people, if you took away the natural-born citizenship thing, [36:21] Like if you could be a president and never born in America, we'd be fucked. Super fucked. We'd be fucked. Because we're already fucked when they become mayors and when they become governors. If that starts happening, you're just going to import people from all over the world and they're going to take whatever their country is and make that state it. [36:37] Let me ask you this. Is it true that when you have – so if you have a bunch of illegal immigrants in your town – [36:43] Your census numbers go up? Yes. Congressional seats. So the way it works is the census only counts how many human beings. It doesn't count how many illegal aliens. No, it doesn't care. It doesn't matter. So that's why they were moving people in with buses. So that's why they moved all these people to swing states. So you're basically rigging these areas. And then they were trying to offer a pathway to citizenship and allow those people to vote, which would have completely rigged all the swing states. Wow. Yeah. I mean, Elon talked about it pretty extensively and documented it. It's a real thing. [37:13] And people push back about it. It's a dangerous conspiracy theory. But it's not because the census counts.

[37:19] People. And the more people you have, the more congressional seats you get. If they just eliminated that, the Democrats would be cooked. [37:25] I don't know if that's even legal, though. I think constitutionally, it's basically the way it's set up. It's supposed to be the amount of people. [37:33] It's not supposed to be the amount of legal citizens, which it should be. [37:36] congressional seats. I mean, come on. It's crazy. You think it should be citizens. Especially when you're just opening up the border and you allow 20 million people to come in over a period of four years. That is a massive percentage of... [37:46] of the population of the United States. It's nuts. Like 20 million people. It's so nuts. It's a huge percentage of the original population. Tommy Robinson told me 43%, I don't know if this is true, but I think it's something like 43% of the immigrants that come into the UK and I think in Europe in general are on the dole, but especially in the UK. So they're on the dole. They're literally on welfare. Yep. [38:07] And the main problem is that a lot of these people from certain countries don't assimilate. No. Because they are – [38:14] Islamic first and then, you know, and essentially the whole idea is to get a caliphate. [38:19] Create a caliphate in the UK, which is insane. Well, they're doing it. Yeah, that's what's happening. What's really insane is that they're doing it. But the thing is, like, who's allowing this to happen? And what's the end goal? Well, did you see the new lady who apparently just got elected in the UK for, like, border patrol? Uh-huh. And it's just, like, her Arabic or... [38:37] Yeah. Farsi or whatever it is written behind her. Oh, yeah. She wants surreal law. Like, it's completely bananas. What? Yeah. Yeah. [38:44] This is the problem. It's like you want to assimilate. Great. It doesn't matter where you're from, what your religion, who cares? But if you want to start overthrowing the very country that you're emigrating into, I mean, that's – But the problem is if you say something against it, then, oh, you're racist. Yeah, I was having a conversation with Constantine. I'm not racist. I grew up in the Arab world. I'm the farthest thing from – I love – I grew up with the Arabs and Muslims, so you can't call me that. But that's fucking crazy. That's what everybody says. I'm not racist. Yeah, everybody – I'm a black friend. Here's the difference, though. Can I just say this? Yeah. The biggest thing that the left does is this.

[39:14] You say there's a problem, which is a legit problem. You say, you know, London's now a minority country. There are these young Muslim men, for example, who are not... [39:23] assimilating and are becoming militant and fundamentalist. Okay, you say something like that. What then a leftist will say is they'll go, instead of like debating that issue, which is a problem, you're just stating a problem, okay? They will say oh, you're Islamophobic, you're xenophobic and you're racist. So they diagnose you. They kind of [39:41] I'm stealing this from Nick Fritas, by the way, so shout out to Nick Fritas. But that's what they'll do. They'll diagnose the person and their personality and their character. They'll step outside of the debate. So you can't have a conversation with people like that. No, you can't. But that's why it's scary, though, is because there's no talking point. There's no common ground that you can't agree on anything. So it's like if I'm over here and you're over here... [40:04] And we both can't meet somewhere in the middle. Right. Men can't get pregnant. Right. [40:08] Exactly. At some point, you just have to fight. [40:11] Right, because I'm going to stop it and call you a transphobe and turn my back on. You've got a divorce or you have to fight. But don't you think that this is on purpose? I think it's to keep each other at each other's throats. It's to keep us in chaos so that they can implement more control. And it's working. Yeah. [40:24] Well, is it... [40:25] Or are we starting to get wise to the fact that we're all being gamed? It's a battle. Yeah. It's a battle. Are the masses getting wise to it, though? Well, it's working on a lot of people. There's a lot of people that are just falling right in. They're falling right in line. And if you tell them that they're homophobic or xenophobic or transphobic, they'll do whatever the fuck they can to avoid that label. And so then they fall right into your trap.

[40:44] although... [40:45] Trump did get elected, and it seems like that argument by the left is starting to lose a lot of its steam. Yeah, but he only got elected by half the country, right? The other half of the country didn't want him. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. So it worked on a lot of people. [40:59] They were in the process of implementing a plan, and that plan, if it worked, would have made this country a one-party state. But disliking Trump and disliking those policies are two different things, right? So there are people that are conservative who don't like Trump. There are people that are moderate Democrats or Republicans who don't like Trump. My question is, you would know this better, how much of this stuff online is real? Bots. A huge percentage. Really? Still. It's like the opposite of real life. [41:29] An FBI analyst said as many as 80% of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots. What? Posting what, though? Just political shit? All kinds of stuff. Everything. Climate, politics, race, gender. China just got busted using ChatGPT to run a host of different accounts, a bunch of different accounts that were all posting about USAID being shut down. They were posting about LBGTQ plus TA, whatever the fuck, issues. Just to divide us more. [41:59] So Brian Shaw told me that he posted a picture of him and Jordan Peterson. He always gets the love. He's a strong man. And he said that he was getting all this like immediately, just all these comments that were like, how could you do this and stuff like that. Then he'd go to the profile and be like, this doesn't feel like it's real. No, not a real person. Not a real person. There's a giant percentage on Instagram, a giant percentage on Facebook and on Twitter that are not real. And it's legal and you can do it. And I bet we do it too. I bet corporations do it.

[42:29] You can crowdfund, by the way, on purpose. Like say if Brian Callen, if you hated Brendan Chobb, it shouldn't be the fighter and the kid. It should be the kid and the kid. Just me. Everybody agrees. You could literally go to a company and have them attack Brendan Chobb, and you would pay for it, and they would use their bots. That's been done before on me. Yeah, I'm sure. It can be done on anyone. That's the point. [42:59] lights you could do that you could have whatever the fuck you want have a bunch of fake people protest what a waste of fucking time you know you can't do that but it's not really it's not really well i guess it does it's effective with dumb people yeah especially if you have a country doing it like china can do it to us correct but we can't do it to them [43:17] Right. We can't get into their system. They have whatever they want that people know. Oh, well, we're a completely retarded. They run their own propaganda, and they run it against us. That might be the least of our problems. We let them buy land around military bases. Yeah, they own a shit ton of land. My friend had his company attacked that way. [43:32] The biggest issue with China is definitely AI. Yes. The AI is like the next Manhattan Project. But those two dudes you had on here with AI, they're saying we're actually still a step ahead of them. [43:42] I don't know if they know. Did I summarize that? Yeah, you're right. They said that at the time, but I don't know if they know. Because here's the thing. They steal all the data from OpenAI. They steal data from, like, Grok just got infiltrated by this guy who stole all their shit, allegedly, and then sold it to OpenAI. And OpenAI got infiltrated, allegedly, by China. Like, you've got all these Chinese nationals that are over here working. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[44:12] They're Chinese nationals. Yeah. Because remember, when we had Tulsi Gabbard. This was like the biggest problem America is facing, for sure. Yeah, 100%. Because when we had Tulsi Gabbard on the podcast, remember I was like, yeah, Russian, what did I say, Russian hackers. I kept talking about Russian hackers. And she's like, hey, off the air, she's like, just so you know, we're better at hacking than they are. [44:29] We have better hackers. So this whole thing you keep talking about with Russians, I don't know, I kept saying Russians. She's like, America actually has way better people to hack all that shit. But it's an arms race. It's an AI race. Yeah. The thing is, they're all together. [44:42] It's the government with the corporations in China. They're all in lockstep. They're not like in battle with their corporations. Corporations do what the government says. Exactly. They tried that over here with Facebook. Like when Facebook, when the FBI clamped down on them, told them to get rid of the Hunter Biden laptop story. And they did it. Well, they didn't at Facebook. They kind of limited the reach. But Twitter, they completely blocked it. But the other thing that they did was they told them to get rid of factual information about COVID. [45:12] Factual information. The government was contacting Zuckerberg. Why do you think that is? [45:16] Because they didn't want vaccine hesitancy because they wanted to make more money. They wanted more people. Was it money or did they believe that the vaccine was saving lives? [45:24] Money. For sure money. Money. Really? Look at you. You're so cute. They just want to save lives. He's still one of those. No, Brian's still one of those guys. Brian's still one of those guys. Isn't he crazy? There's not a goddamn thing the government does. I think the government cares about him, dude. I really am. There's not a goddamn thing the government does for you. [45:40] for you to make your life better. Everything they do is to either get elected, raise more money...

[45:45] Campaign, like more money, like raising money for causes. It's their own agenda. You see in the UK now, they're like, we're going to deal – we have a solution to deal with mass immigration. We're going to digital IDs. Yeah. [45:57] So it's like they created an issue, and then they're going to give you a solution to give them more control. My thing is how much fucking money do they need? But what you just said, what you just said about the government, whether it's true or not, that's a very important thing to believe. I had Representative Luna on the podcast. You know what she said to me? We were talking about certain issues. She goes, they don't want to resolve those issues because they could fundraise against them. Of course. How about that? So they literally don't reach resolutions. But my question, Joe, is how much money do they need? [46:27] Well, they always need new money every week. But my thing is like Pelosi. How much money does that big heavy bitch have? [46:32] She has the biggest... It's like a half a billion, half a billion. And she just keeps going. 400 million, yeah. Well, that's her husband. I mean, he's always been an investor, you know. Yeah, but the way he's doing is insider trading. Right, it doesn't mean it's all in the up and up, obviously. But I'm just saying, how long does she need to go? She's 82 years old. The answer to that is that government will continue to grow like a leviathan. And it does... What does it do? Well, that's why they want two parties here. [47:01] They want no common talking ground between the two parties, so we just keep fighting. Well, that might be good. You want government to fight each other, right? You want this divide and conquer thing so government moves at a glacial pace. That would be the idea, right? But government is the issue. Remember when Elon was trying to start the American wing? Remember that?

[47:20] He's like not Democrat. Yeah, third party is never really – it's hard. First of all, I don't think you're allowed to name it. I think we looked into that. You're not allowed to name your party the America Party. [47:30] Because you can't call it America, because then if you go against it, you're going against America. That's fair. That's like the Patriot Act. The genius of the Patriot Act was so good. Plus, I understand what Elon's going to do. I don't know how that's going to work in effect. [47:45] Like if he starts another party. Oh, there we go. It's back. [47:48] Here we go. [47:50] You'll see he's leaving ESPN. ESPN said, why don't you guys suck on this? He's got staff on his tit right there. Has he got staff on his tit? I hope so. Looks like a bruise. He's got something. [47:58] but it doesn't big toe to the titty doesn't look like stuff no [48:03] Staff is usually raised. It just looks kind of red. It doesn't really look... [48:06] rays from here, but I can't tell. [48:08] The worst one ever was Kevin Lee. Remember when Kevin Lee went to the audience? He had his welt. He had makeup on it. Yeah. [48:14] Was that when he fought Tony? [48:16] Was it that fight? That could be anything. That doesn't look raised, though. Dude, how about Tony got a win the other night? [48:21] Thank God. [48:23] Yeah. [48:24] Uh... [48:24] I heard that staph doesn't come from the mat. It comes from the person you're rolling with. Is this true? What's up, Jamie? Oh, that is staph. That's staph. Oh, that's 100% staph. See the little white head up top? I'm surprised you let them fight. Wow. But if you're in antibiotics, I think it's 24, 36 hours. You're not contagious anymore. It's just going to drain your fucking cardio. Damn. How effective is topical solutions on something like that? Do you have to take systemic antibiotics? So I actually just had staph like a month ago. Of course you did. You've had it a thousand times.

[48:54] and I actually use fucking Croc [48:57] to help me cure it without antibiotics. Really? So I had it on my back. [49:01] And I put... [49:03] I put the topical clindamycin pad... [49:06] and there's like liquid clindamycin that you can like just rub on there and there's a pad so i i doused the pad in clindamycin and i taped the clindamycin pad to my back and then i broke one of those heating pads and i put i taped the heating pads my back because staff once you start getting above body temperature it doesn't replicate yeah like it yeah i think it dies like 140 or 150 degrees somewhere around there so get in the sauna [49:29] But yeah, the problem is that you have to [49:31] It's sustained over time. Like, you can't sit in a 150-degree sauna for 24 hours. Right, right, right. So I kept the heating pad on there, and I would just change it, like, five, six times a day, change the pad, and it went away in, like, two weeks. Took a little bit longer, but I didn't have to take any. How's your stomach? And I'm like, wow, I wish I knew this 10 years ago before I'd rid my fucking life. Fuck. How's your tummy? It's terrible. It is still? Yeah. I haven't been able to do, like, a hard session since, like, early 2024. Damn. I just start dry heaving every time my heart rate goes up. Fuck. So I'm just, like, a skinny, fat guy now. That's so nuts. [50:01] Have you tried fasting? Have you ever tried that? I've been forced fasted. I just haven't been able to eat for two weeks. [50:08] You haven't eaten anything in two weeks or just a little bit? [50:11] Like, just nothing. I just wasn't able to eat. I just... [50:14] This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food, and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. It's the ultimate way to cook outdoors, delivering unbeatable wood-fired flavor thanks to the all-natural hardwood pellets that fuel everything you grill, smoke, or bake. That's it. Just wood and fire and flavor. And what's truly wild is how easy it is.

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[52:14] Alright, here we go. What do we got here? Sola and McKee. [52:20] Thank you. [52:22] You've got to give at least one of them a nickname now. I feel like we're... Yeah. [52:30] That guy... [52:33] So McKee is the guy... [52:36] with the tattoos. Yep. [52:40] Solo's going to be a big fan favorite. [52:42] Because he's a champion in a lower league out there. Oh, is he? Yep. [52:46] They put a bunch of those cats on him. So Paris didn't, or France didn't even have MMA until really fairly recently, right? Yeah. Ten years ago? Yeah. [52:54] Because when Francis was over there, there was no MMA. You couldn't fight there. And then finally they got – PFL did events in Africa. [53:03] And he didn't show up. [53:06] Because he said they didn't use any regional guys. That's why he wouldn't show up? Yeah. Yeah. [53:10] Really? Yeah, he was like, no, you didn't use any of my fucking guys. Wow. Wow. [53:14] I think there's a chance Francis comes back to the UFC now. I don't think there is. Why do you say that? I don't think Dana wants that. [53:23] Dana had a bad experience with him. I heard. Didn't enjoy working with him. But you don't think there's a chance some of the other shot callers there go, dude? [53:34] We can get him back. Him versus John. [53:36] Him versus... At the White House? Yeah. Do you think of... Ori Aspinall at the White House. [53:41] John on the White House card? [53:43] I think John does the White House. But not.

[53:48] Tatum goes, what's the chance he has? One in a billion? Did he really say that? Yeah, he's one in a billion. I saw that. John responded with a great answer. He did have a great answer. So you're saying there's a chance. You're saying there's a chance. I'm a one in a billion guy, so I'll take those chances. That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. And I was like, oh, so there's a chance. There's a chance. Yeah, 100%. This guy's getting caught. Good news is John's most recent case has been dropped. [54:09] Which is excellent. Yep. He wasn't even there, apparently. [54:12] Oh. [54:13] I don't know. I only go with what my phone says, all right? Oh, I think I'm all – I'm always with my phone. Listen, I think there should be a place – I think there should be a place in this – [54:25] country that has no law. [54:27] One city. Just one city with no law. Just go to Mexico. Maybe it's Albuquerque. Just one place with no law. [54:36] Or maybe like a little gray area in between the stakes. What about the purge? Just 24 hours where there's just... Just have one place where you can just get buck wild. [54:45] Well, you can go down to Tijuana, dude. You can just go to Mexico. I mean, but Ed Calderon, I was listening to that podcast. Fuck. That's a crazy podcast. That dude has seen it all. I can't imagine what he's actually seen. 37 assassinations in the last Mexican elections. Yeah, but they all dab. What? But all those politicians, they dabble with the cartel. So it's not like they're innocent. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. They're not dabbling. They are all cartel members. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Well, do you see what happened in Germany? Yeah, they're all involved. Yeah. Yeah. Seven of the right-wing cabinets had just died. [55:15] Yeah, then I looked into it. It was like, there's no foul play here. I'm like, but that's seven. That's a lot. Yeah. No foul play. Don't worry about it. But my thing when you add Ed on, A, I'm never going to Mexico again, but B, fucking never. It's terrifying. Never. But B, too, I sent my wife that because she wants to take the kids to Mexico because she's from there. It's never fucking happening. Yeah. And so I sent her that podcast. Yeah.

[55:35] But when he was like, yeah, Trump's, you know, they have the drones, like – [55:38] kind of [55:40] following the cartel and all that to get information on him. They're going to do something to send people in there. [55:46] But when he was saying the cartels, like in the government, in the police units, they're everywhere. It's like, okay, so you're going to take out the henchmen. That does nothing. Well, Calderon said – So my summarization of that podcast was like, oh, well, Mexico is fucked. [55:59] There's nothing he can do. You're never going to get rid of it. It's too ingrained in the community. But Bukheli, look what Bukheli did. He treated it like it was an... And it's also ingrained here. Like, when you go to Afghanistan, like... [56:09] We're so far separated that it's not really... [56:11] There's no saving it. Like the cartel can come up here and fuck with us. Correct. Well, Calderon said the only way to deal with it is treat it like it's an insurgency. [56:19] When they had that conservative guy in charge, they actually did a lot to cripple the cartels. [56:27] Unless you treat it like an actual civil war. [56:29] Well, you've got to treat it like this is a real insurgency. You've got to come after it. So much money. They buy so many politicians. They buy so many people. It's so difficult to beat them at this point because we let it get so bad. Mexico let it get so bad. It's too far. When you have 37 people get assassinated in one election. So hard. But how's that not on, if CNN wants to break some news, how's that not on the tracker at all? You have to hear it from me. You have to hear it on the spot.

[56:59] and her seven-year-old and 13-year-old wrapped them in plastic? [57:02] and put him in a truck. [57:04] Did you hear about this? No. This is a week ago. See, that's what I'm saying. In Mexico? Yeah. Yeah. And then the two guys... Because the husband was doing something with him. Yeah. And the two guys that the cops brought in were witnesses to it. They got kidnapped. Yeah. [57:16] Jesus. Right out of the prosecutorials. But didn't that say like 91% of murders go unsolved? Yes. [57:21] Everything's just a cold case. I don't know, dude. If you're the 9% that gets busted, what the fuck are you doing? You can walk there. [57:29] You can just walk there. You can walk right into chaos. You can walk there. You can walk there. From here. [57:37] You can get there in a day. But if you're a tourist, a lot of times they'll leave you alone, right? Five-hour drive. Dude, when I was living in California, I had my Ford Lightning, and there's a shop down there that makes carbon fiber parts for Lightning. I was like, I'll just go pick it up. I drove down there. [57:50] And the guy working the custom goes, what are you doing? What are you doing? I go, what do you mean, man? I'm here to pick up some car parts. He goes, listen, we knew you were coming because you posted. You were coming down here. We knew you were coming. [58:00] And we're good. And we're fans. We're good. We're good guys. But if we know you're coming, the bad guys know you're coming. [58:06] He's like, don't come back here, man. I'm like, really? He's like, don't come back. He's like, you're in a loud, orange Ford Lightning. Yeah. [58:13] And you're posting your come down hit. [58:15] Yeah. [58:16] Don't do that. Worth it. [58:18] Was it? [58:19] Ah, no, I mean it's cool. [58:20] Yeah, this carbon fiber offenders are tough to fight. Who would run for mayor? Are you kidding me? Look at that. From 2018 to mid 2024, 1,709 murders, attacks, and threats were reported against politicians and officials. That is crazy. Who's going to run for fucking politics? At least 37 candidates. That's it. Some people just disappear. That's an insertion. You'd think at 27, the guy would be like, fuck this, dude. Well, Calderon said the people are getting so sick of it. I think ultimately there becomes this. What are they going to do, Bill? A revolt.

[58:50] The population arms itself. That's cute. And do what? Get shot. They're so organized, though? Yeah, they're literally like military organized. Well, they have military weaponry. And they have night vision. They have armies. I mean... [59:03] That's what I'm saying. What are you going to do? I don't know. [59:04] A revolt and do what? Get murdered? I think you're going to see more of what happened, that Venezuelan boat that just got taken out in the middle of the water. I was seeing people saying that that wasn't a cartel thing and that what Donald Trump has committed is a war crime. He blew up people from Venezuela for no reason. You don't think they know that this fucking boat filled with taped up satchels? Yeah. [59:34] He said, Maduro, we have a reward for his arrest. $50 million. Oh. They put $50 million on the president's head. That's setting something up. They're setting something up. Oh, yeah. [59:46] There must be some gold in them dar hills. Yeah, I got a feeling we got some badasses kind of already down there. Well... [59:54] Probably. There's probably also some... I mean, between Mexico and Canada... [59:58] It's just a shit show. Yeah, but Canada is like so much savor. [1:00:01] Yes, Canada, you have your job, you have your reputation destroyed. In Mexico, they kill your whole family. It's kind of a difference. In Canada, one of 20 people in Canada is assisted suicide. [1:00:13] What? Yeah, 1 in 20. [1:00:16] What? Yeah, I'll send it to Jamie so he can post it. It is so crazy.

[1:00:22] In other news, did you see that Roy Jones Jr.? Yes. Wasn't that cool? That was heartwarming. It was so amazing. The guy that gave him his gold medal? Yeah, the Korean guy who got beat. [1:00:33] I love that. It was heartwarming. It was really cool. I got emotional over it. Yeah, because there it is. [1:00:39] Assisted dying now counts for 1 in 20 Canada deaths. [1:00:42] That's how depressed they are. Well, they're doing it for people that are depressed. They're doing it for people, oh, you hurt your knee. Jesus Christ. But I'm not allowed to hike anymore. Okay, they killed 15,300 people last year. What a shit show. What a shit show. It was legalized in 2016, but it showed around 15,300 people underwent assisted dying last year. Median age is 77, though. After being successful in their applications. Mm-hmm. [1:01:09] The median age is 77. I kind of get that. So you can just do it for any reason? Yep. Yeah. Small minority of other cases, patients may not have been terminally ill, but sought an assisted death due to long and complicated illness that had significantly impacted their quality of life. Well, it really makes you think like… [1:01:25] What percentage of people are just suffering where life just fucking blows? A lot. [1:01:30] Probably quite a bit. And are they doing it in those tanks? They're doing it in those weird... [1:01:35] I don't know how they do it. [1:01:37] I don't know what they're doing They look pretty nice They do in Oregon You could get an assisted suicide in Oregon [1:01:43] How do they put them down? Do we know? I don't know. Is it like an IV or is it gas or... [1:01:47] Because there's a place in Sweden I watched a documentary on, and he kind of just jumped in this little alien ship-looking thing and just...

[1:01:54] Game over. Cook you. He had his last meal with his wife. I was like, all right, see you on the other side. [1:01:59] V, you and I were talking about suicide one time, and I was like, I can't understand how anybody would do it. [1:02:04] who would come to my shows periodically, and he'd give me like, he made knives and stuff. [1:02:09] And he emailed me, and he goes... [1:02:12] Just so you know, [1:02:14] I'll give you an idea of what it's like when you contemplate suicide. I was like, okay. And he goes, okay. [1:02:18] Have you ever been in a sauna and you can't stand another second, you've got to get out? [1:02:23] because it's just too hot. Think of being that... [1:02:26] With no doors all the time. For your whole life. Yeah. And I was like, holy fuck. And did he do it or no? [1:02:31] He tried twice, I guess. [1:02:34] Now he's better. [1:02:35] Well, think about the kind of pain that Bisping must have been in because of his neck. You know? But Bisping's a guy, but he didn't even consider it. No. No. There's a difference. [1:02:45] No, he's probably trying to line up a fight. Think about Gordon. Think of the shit he deals with. Still winning. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. [1:02:52] Being seasick 24-7 will definitely make you like yourself. I just can't understand how no one can figure out how to fix what's wrong. [1:02:57] Thank you. [1:02:58] Well, I mean, the issue is that they know what the issue are, what the issues is, and they're just like, we're going to try to reset your gut biome. I'm like, sweet. [1:03:05] What's like the like agreed upon baseline homeostasis for like what your gut biome is supposed to be? They're like, we don't know. [1:03:12] It's different for every person. Just eat nothing but kimchi for a year and see what's up. I could do that, yeah. [1:03:17] Or I could just kill myself. [1:03:21] Don't do that. God biome. [1:03:24] Yeah.

[1:03:25] That's like Afif Kanun and [1:03:27] He's got that clinic. [1:03:28] Because everybody always wondered, like, what happens if you take antibiotics too much? There you go. Well, now we know. [1:03:33] Yeah. [1:03:34] Remember my psoriasis? You remember seeing how covered I was? And then Andy Galpin and Dan Garner. Why are you laughing? You're such a piece of shit. I know. [1:03:43] But I changed. I changed. I know. Get his face. It's like when, who was it? Bobby Lee was like, I was brutally molested. And yeah, I just started fucking crying. Died by a Down syndrome guy. He starts laughing. That's such a brutal joke. No, because Bobby goes, all right, I'm going to say this again. If you guys laugh, I'm fucking leaving. And change it every time. And he goes, viciously brutally. [1:04:04] I said, you can't just avoid him? I was brutally molested. I'm like, you don't say brutally, dude. The thing about Bobby is, like, Bobby might have been making that story up. He was, because he was, like, every time he knew I was laughing, because every time he got worse and worse and worse, he would make up some stories. Bobby's one of the funniest people ever. Yeah, he's funny as fuck. He's one of the funniest people ever. Very funny. I miss him. So is Santino, man. Will Bobby not talk to you anymore? No, we taxed him. We're good. Interesting. But I miss him. You texted, like, three years ago. No, I texted him. No, but I miss him. You don't tax, like, on a regular basis. [1:04:34] He had told somebody to say hi to me. [1:04:37] And then I said, hey, you know, I heard, and I said, he goes, how are you? I go, I'm good and eternally sorry. And he goes, we're good. And, you know. Well, that's cool. Is he at the mothership? That's a good fight. [1:04:48] Lopez, Diego Lopez, John Silva. That's a great fight. That's next weekend. [1:04:52] Does Bobby come to the mothership much? He's been there.

[1:04:55] Yeah, I mean he comes when he's in town. I tried to get him to move here. [1:04:59] I've never moved to Austin. [1:05:03] But when he was here, he met some nice ladies. [1:05:06] Tim Dillon's take on Austin is hilarious. It's funny. It's so funny. He's like, there's like two good restaurants. I've been to them multiple times. There's no live music scene. It's six buskers on heroin. [1:05:17] He's here all the time. He was here last week. He's going to be here again this week. [1:05:21] He owns two houses here. He's just nuts. He's very funny. He's just being silly. So funny. And then they write articles on it. What's really funny is that it became like a whole thing, like the movements leaving Austin. Yeah. [1:05:34] the shine has worn off. It quoted me, Shane Gillis, and Tim Dillon saying how much we hated Austin. I just said I miss the baseball dads in L.A. That's all I said, man. That's hilarious. I love it here. [1:05:47] I used to miss the comedy store until I opened the mothership. That was all I missed. [1:05:52] I love everything else about Austin. [1:05:54] I have no problem, sir. [1:05:55] I'd like them to clean up some of that homeless shit, though. [1:05:58] Compared to L.A. [1:06:00] That's pretty bad on sixth. [1:06:01] Where? First of all, what are you doing on 6th? Other than go to the club and get out of the club. I do. [1:06:07] I go to the Dead Rabbit sometimes. That's the problem, right? That shelter is right there, which is so nuts. You get some people that are homeless, trying to get clean, and where do you put their shelter? A block away from the biggest party fucking street in all of Texas. I know. It's so dumb. I'll be honest. I haven't seen – because I'm not – I haven't been down to 6th at all. I haven't seen a single homeless person. Well, they're very centrally located. Yeah, it's all 6th Street. I'm in like a weird bubble. It's like Pleasantville.

[1:06:37] It's just there's no danger and I don't like it. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. [1:06:41] This is a matter of time. [1:06:43] That's it. Herb Dean. Seen enough. Yeah, that guy was just... Did you see... I feel like this can't even be real, but it might be. Did you see they just opened a $65 million transgender homeless shelter in New York? [1:06:58] Well, how does that mean? That's fantastic. How many homeless people are transgender? I saw it. We could fact- There's three people in there? Well, Mom Donnie is saying that he wants to set it up where people can go there and get snipped for free. He's going to win, huh? [1:07:12] Hopefully. Yeah, he will. To watch New York try to experiment with a socialist again? I heard an interesting take yesterday where apparently a lot of the super rich people in New York actually want him to win. So they're like, yeah, go ahead. We're not going to be affected. You guys fucking see how it goes. New York City opens first taxpayer-funded transgender homeless shelter in New York. Progressive political theater. That is adorable. There you go. [1:07:42] Unconforming individuals. Nowhere to sleep. [1:07:44] Those are expensive pairs. Wow. That is really wild. Nations first. What is gender nonconforming? Do you get to choose if you're gender nonconforming? What if I just decide I'm gender nonconforming? I think all I have to do is just say it. Yeah. You can just say I'm gender nonconforming. Okay. Well, that's what's new about the transgender movement. It's rooted in what? A feeling. [1:08:04] It's not really – so you can be a minority and a minority on the same level or even bigger than a black man, ask Dave Chappelle, because you feel like one. You know what's weird though? Your daughters are older. Have your kids actually – like when that transgender shooter, just the – what is that, last week? The mass shooter? Seven of them in a row. Yeah, I'm saying this last one. Really? It was all over the news. We had the news on when my kids asked me about it.

[1:08:28] better understand it. [1:08:29] Meaning it's very black and white. [1:08:32] They're like, wait, dad, he's a, or she's a girl? I go, no. [1:08:36] That's a guy. Right. He's like, but she thought she was a girl. I'm like, she felt like it, but she's a man. He's like, oh, that makes sense. There's no, the lines aren't blurring the kids. In the manifesto, this guy said that he regrets going trans and he doesn't want to chop his hair off, even though he hates his hair. He doesn't want to chop it off because he didn't be like giving in to all the people that said he wasn't really a woman in the first place. But he regrets ever doing it in the first place. Here's my take on it. [1:09:06] It has nothing to do with that. There are people that are completely out of their minds. And one of the manifestations of that is to decide that you're a different gender. Gender dysphoria. So what happens is, but now when you stigmatize that, when you say you're not even allowed to... [1:09:21] talk to somebody about maybe they might be a little confused because that's considered conversion therapy. What happens is you're now lumping those two things in. Wait, what do you mean? So in other words, this kid was obviously – No one is not allowed to talk to someone about being confused about their gender. They're saying you don't have to tell your parents. No. So there are – [1:09:40] In California, there was legislation presented and a number of states which said, when a child says, I feel like a girl, but I'm a boy, and a psychiatrist says, [1:09:51] tries to treat that as an abnormality or a mental illness or a confusion. You're saying you can't question it. You can lose your license. Yes, you can lose your license. Why? Because...

[1:10:03] Miriam Grossman, I had her on, she wrote Transnation, I think. [1:10:06] And that can be considered malpractice, and you can get sued and lose your – yeah. So then the real problem is the psychiatric drugs because they're all – There you go. [1:10:17] And what I'm saying is that you might have a kid who's profoundly disturbed in a number of ways. One of the manifestations of that is saying, I'm now a girl. [1:10:26] or whatever it is. [1:10:28] That should be a signal, maybe, many times that your kid is not well. And let's take a look at what the fuck is going on. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:10:38] But if you say that, then you're anti-trans Of course, that goes back to what I'm saying And how many mass shooters have we had? Clearly, there's a fucking issue, man [1:10:47] Right. There's an issue. Right. [1:10:49] It doesn't mean all trans people are bad, but these mass shooters, we've got to figure it out. [1:10:53] Can't keep going down this road. I'm getting in touch with my family. I say we just keep going down this road. [1:10:57] We don't have a choice. As long as we disarm them all. [1:11:04] This is what they're going to do. I can't wait to see the left defend. [1:11:10] Yeah, I'm going to open up a transgender gun club in Austin. Fuck it. Let's go. The left will never oppose me. If I just, like, I say, well, I'm going to open up a gun club only for transgender and non-binary conforming people, whatever. That's good. Gender non-conforming. Have you tried to have any of the really far-left professors on your podcast? Eh. No? I've had them in the past. Have you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How's that go?

[1:11:34] Not so good. No. Yeah. [1:11:36] Yeah, Thaddeus Russell. I had a very... I know Thaddeus. [1:11:40] long and stupid conversation with him about the difference between men and women. There's no difference. And I'm like, so if you get a boy puppy, if you get a puppy and it's a boy puppy and you wanted a girl puppy and they say, well, there's no difference. What the fuck are you talking about? Like, this is the dumbest conversation ever. But at least that is the guy who have the debate. Most of the left won't even talk. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a good one. It's just talking circles. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. You talk in circles. Yeah. Like, I thought we were on the same page. I was like, no way. [1:12:10] sense. [1:12:12] I don't think he does. I'm not sure. I shouldn't say that. I have no idea. But the bottom line is biology is really simple. Double X. [1:12:20] X, Y. Sometimes there's a mistake. Sometimes there's an error and you get X, X, Y. Sometimes you get hermaphrodites and there's – [1:12:28] That is a real thing. There's overlap. But it's super fucking rare. Yes. What this is is a social contagion. Abigail Schreier wrote a fantastic book about it called Irreversible Damage that she highlights how they're happening in these clusters of a lot of girls who are autistic. Yes. [1:12:46] Let's get to the bottom of that. What's causing all that? How come one in every 12 kids who's a boy in California has autism now? Because that's what's going on. That's what's going on in California, which has one of the strictest fucking vaccine policies. [1:12:59] One in 12. Did I say vaccines cause autism? Maybe I will have a little... Well, RFK is getting to that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And now Florida doesn't demand...

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[1:15:03] Zip Recruiter. Good jump on that train. Of course it's dangerous, Brian. What are you talking about? Tetanus. Tetanus. So, so much. Tetanus. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to bail on the tetanus thing. What do you mean? Suzanne Humphries. Educate his ass. Suzanne Humphries explained tetanus. She's not a vaccinologist. I know that woman. What are you talking about? So you're saying we shouldn't have vaccines? She's a medical doctor that absolutely understands tetanus. She said tetanus, all you have to do is keep the wound open and clean it. Oh, that's such bullshit. It's not bullshit. It's not bullshit. Do you know how many people die of tetanus every year? Holy fucking shit. Very few. What about poloia? Just stop. Okay, so let me ask you a question, Mr. Joe Rogan, Mr. Scientist. [1:15:33] You saying that we shouldn't have... Don't do that. Don't call me Mr. Scientist. I'll start mocking you, and it's so much easier to mock you. So you don't believe in vaccines? You don't think we should have vaccines? It's not that I don't believe in vaccines. It's what you're saying. I don't think you should give a kid a hep B vaccine when they're a baby. Different subject. No, an MMA vaccine is absolutely connected to a host of serious, debilitating fucking problems that kids have gotten from them. There's a lot of problems because they don't test vaccines in a double-blind, placebo-controlled setting. They test them against other vaccines. [1:16:03] You know that, right? Yes, I do. Excuse me. Let me just say something. [1:16:06] Yes, you're right. You can make the argument for Hep B. Here's why. Because the chances of a child coming in contact with the kind of activity that causes Hep B is different.

[1:16:20] That chance is 0%. [1:16:22] the chance for vaccine injury with the hep B is not zero, it's non-zero. Okay, so I understand that math. Okay, what I'm trying to say to you is that there are certain diseases. [1:16:31] Pick up a history book. Smallpox. [1:16:33] diphtheria, mumps, tetanus, polio, paralytic diseases. Polio, please stop. No, I won't. Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian. This is a long conversation that we're not going to have on this podcast because I'm going to get angry because I've researched this for years. Right. [1:16:51] But you're not a scientist. I don't have to be a scientist to know that. Yes, you do. Brian, shut the fuck up. I don't have to be a scientist to read research to understand that they were spraying DDT all over the fucking country when everybody was getting polio. [1:17:05] Do you know that? Yes, I do. You know the first instances of polio? They happen in rural communities where they're all farmland and agriculture, and then cows were getting them and horses were getting them and dogs were getting them. Let me make a statement. They're calling it polio. [1:17:16] paralytic polio. Do you agree with the following statement? It's not just about, hold on, Joe. No, Brian, I don't want to do this with you. We're in the middle of a fight, companion. It's annoying. But it's like, I don't get it. Yeah, yeah. No, it's anti-vax, Brian. It's not anti-vax. Question why there's so many, though. My kids are all vaccinated. [1:17:41] And they're vaccinated, but they went on a delayed schedule. They delayed schedule. So did mine. [1:17:45] So did mine. You're not? Yeah. I'm not. Good for you. I don't think you need to. No, they're healthy as fuck. Yeah. Between the two of them, they have 12 touchdowns this week.

[1:17:56] Two home runs. [1:17:58] I think the problem is that the pharmaceutical drug companies have an exemption because of what they did in the 1980s with Reagan, where they allowed them to never worry about being sued. And that's when they ramped up the fucking schedule. [1:18:11] And that's also the correlation. When you look at all the fucking host of all sorts of diseases and issues just start happening to kids. It's through the fucking room. Autism is just one. There's a lot of other autoimmune issues. There's a lot of serious problems. I think there are three things that have pushed us beyond our biology and the reason we don't have a lot of children dying. Nutrition, sanitation, and vaccines. And I think anybody who says otherwise is, you know, I think it's crazy. But you can't say all vaccines be. I didn't say all vaccines. But he's not saying all vaccines. [1:18:41] saying all vaccines. It sounds like he is. Brian, you don't know what the fuck I'm saying. [1:18:45] You don't. Well, I know because you're [1:18:48] You don't want to talk about it? Brad, I don't want to talk about it in the middle of the podcast because it will completely derail the podcast. And I'll start showing you statistics. If you look at when people stop getting all of these diseases and then when the introduction of vaccines happen, it's at the end. [1:19:02] after the disease has already gone through the population. [1:19:05] Most of those diseases were eradicated by sanitation and nutrition. There was a huge problem in this country. People were living in fucking squalor. [1:19:13] I agree. But there's still pathogens that are very dangerous. Sure there are. So the problem is that these pharmaceutical drug companies are fucking insanely, entirely corrupt. [1:19:24] They've been corrupt for a long fucking time. And there's a revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug corporations. They go from the FDA into these positions. They have this golden parachute. And then they ramp up the fucking schedule every year. And it's not about public health. None of it is about looking out for you. All of it is about making money.

[1:19:43] That's the problem. Who wants to do some smelling salts? Oak High's good. [1:19:47] This guy's good. Who wants to do some smell and salt? Chuck one over here, Jamie. We got some? [1:19:51] Where's the oak car from? [1:19:53] from your mother's pussy. [1:19:54] Hey, that's out of the line. [1:19:58] Hey, that burn is too far. [1:20:01] Thank you. [1:20:02] Joe and I always have these arguments, Gordon. [1:20:05] Yes. [1:20:07] Thank you. [1:20:07] This one's weak. Is it? Yeah, it's a little old. [1:20:11] It's a little old. Get you going, though. We got seven of them over here. [1:20:18] God, get you some, Brian. Get that big fucking dick nose on there. Besides to watch your friend suffer, what are the actual... I don't know. Let's find out. Pop one of those. See if it cures your tummy ache. It wakes you up, though. It might help your stomach. Or it could make me nauseous. We'll see. [1:20:32] Yeah, if he fucking projectile bothers on the Buddha, great. Don't do it, Paul Gordon. You might throw up. That's good for you. This one's basically dead. What is it actually supposed to do, though? It just jolts your system and powerlifts into it. He's got [redacted address] I go. He goes to the green room, he's got like 30 bottles. I love him. I get everybody addicted to the green room. I know. Once you gave me it, I was like, I want more of that shit. Once I do it once, I want to keep doing it. Is this supposed to wake you up? [1:20:59] Yeah, it'll wake you up. Guys will do it before the lift super heavy. Go for, like, PRs. Why are we fucking doing it right now? Just a party. Hey, just to get away from the vaccines before he broke and killed Brian. I brought it up. I feel bad. I was hoping right after he sniffed it, Brian was going to bring vaccines back up. He's not. He's going to take over. Dude, Joe and I used to have arguments about acting class. We'd get in shouting fights. He used to tell me that vitamins weren't necessary. Oh, yeah, yeah. Vitamins aren't necessary.

[1:21:29] I talked to a doctor. I'm taking fucking vitamins. I talked to a doctor. He told me the vitamins don't work. They don't do anything. The bowel. This is me and him at a fucking restaurant in Seattle. Brian, will you please shut the fuck up? Yeah, but then I started taking vitamins, and I called him up. I go, dude, I feel great. He goes, fucking I know. I wish you could go back in time and not take vaccines. Why am I so healthy? I never got psoriasis. This is crazy. Hey, shut up. Turns out I had autism the whole time. No. Dude, we've been in Austin for how many months now? I've been trying to give him a ways to well for how long? I went. Finally fucking went. I got my levels tested. Dude, how is ways to well? My test? The best. [1:21:59] My level says with Brigham, it was awesome, and I got stem cells. Nice. So check this out. I got, I go, I worked out at... [1:22:06] archetype. [1:22:07] This is Marvin Vittori's brother. [1:22:09] They look very similar. [1:22:10] I worked out. I meant to call you about this. So I work out. [1:22:14] And I kind of forgot I had to go. So I probably shouldn't have worked out. Didn't sleep much. But my test is lowest ever been, which is 785. Not bad for my age. That's very good. Not bad, right? That's very good. Now, my free, though, is low. It's like 45. And she said it should be 151. But then I did a bunch of research on ChatGPT with PubMed. And I talked to a couple of other doctors. And they said, if your test is that high, because I have a lot of energy, I'm going to [1:22:39] They go, just be careful because you've got to test it again. So she, at Wayswell, they go, we don't want to put you on anything yet because we want to test because your magnesium is a little low and your DHEA or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're going to put me on that because my test is really high. Yeah, just take TRT and get it. Oh, hold on. No, no, no. He's right. Take TRT. Magnesium is huge. If you have low magnesium, that's huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I talked to my boy, Mike Isretel.

[1:23:03] who gave me that he told me I said if I wanted to get huge [1:23:06] Give me the steroid stack. Not possible. And he goes, do you want, do you, you don't mind if your liver becomes styrofoam? I go, just fucking hit me with it. And he gave me the stack. I saw that clip. Oh, dude, it's great. Yeah, he's a freak. He's amazing. What was he talking about? Deca and all that shit? He's got his PhD. He's telling you to take Deca and everything? Well, and also he's on everything. Oh, yeah. Have you had him on? He's hilarious. Oh, I love that guy. [1:23:25] Here we go. [1:23:27] Thank you. [1:23:28] Shit, I think the co-main event's next. Okie and Jones. Is the co-main next? Yep. Nice. [1:23:34] Nice, that's what I'm looking for. Me too. Roofie and... [1:23:37] Benoit. If you had a gun to your head, who do you have? Imovav or... [1:23:41] Mahalo. I know you don't like... This is Mahalo's toughest fight, I think, in the UFC. Mahalo has a better strength of schedule, too. I usually go by that. [1:23:50] Yeah, he's definitely faced the tougher competition. He's coming off of a KO of one of the all-time greats. I don't think either one gets... Oh! [1:23:59] Oh, damn. Oh, please end fast. [1:24:01] I don't think... Get to the main fight. Oh, he's getting dinged. He's getting dinged. [1:24:09] Tough, though. There we go. Come on. Yeah, well, he's moving. He's definitely moving, but he keeps getting popped on the chin. [1:24:15] I don't think the winner of Imovov in this fight... [1:24:19] Hamzat. [1:24:20] I think they'll win our Fluffy and RDR fight. [1:24:22] I think that's more like you end in a finish. Jones has got a fucking chin, I'll tell you that. This dude keeps getting cracked. [1:24:31] And Oki can crack. Yikes.

[1:24:34] And he's throwing haymakers at them. Yeah. I think... Looking like a young Kevin Randleman. Bahalo's... [1:24:41] His defense is really good striking-wise. [1:24:44] He's really good all around. That team, that fighting nerds team is so good. They're crushing it. They're crushing it. They're so good. They're so good. Where are they out of? [1:24:51] Brazil? [1:24:53] Yeah, that's Jean Silva, that's Carlos Prates, Mauricio Ruffi. [1:24:58] Barhalio... [1:25:00] Now Mikhail Oleg Sejok, he's over there with them now. [1:25:04] Came over from Poland, and he's like, fuck it, let's go. [1:25:07] I feel like those Poles and stuff, those Russians, have such good fundamentals in defense. They have good bones. Yeah. [1:25:14] Like, when... [1:25:15] Jan Bohovich used to fucking go shin to shin with people. Jesus Christ. Yeah, Magomedov was just fucking limping all over the place. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Just going shin to shin with a crack. [1:25:27] He's such a dense dude. My shins are like... [1:25:30] fucking touch them. You flick them. It's vaccines. It's all those vaccines. It's vaccines. I got bird bones. I would have been a great fighter if I didn't have bird bones. See, I'd like to see DDP at light heavy. [1:25:41] Really? Yeah. [1:25:42] I think you'd fuck some dudes up. [1:25:43] Don't you think they would out-wrestle him there? [1:25:46] The problem with that guy is now, after what Hamzat did to him, everyone's going to out-wrestle. The word's out. If you give him the right matchup, if he got the ankle high. The thing is, though, most guys are not at Hamzat's level. Most people aren't as good at... [1:25:58] keeping at writing oh oh oh oh oh oh my god it's turned around look at this oh my god

[1:26:04] No, he doesn't have it under. [1:26:06] He's laying down. I'll tell you what, too. Look at this. This guy's got tired. I mean, you've got to think how much energy he blew. Pretty good at riding chest to chest, and he's much better than pretty much everyone at riding chest to back. Dude, I went to Homsat's camp. [1:26:20] And I didn't want to be biased. I called Joe when I left. I went, dude. [1:26:23] I've never seen anyone look like that. [1:26:25] And I was like, man, I've been out of the game a little bit. The last person I saw that dominant in camp was John. [1:26:31] Dude, I'm talking national champion wrestlers, all-American wrestlers, world-class jujitsu guys. [1:26:36] He was fucking them up. [1:26:39] And was kind of going light, and then the coach yelled something and whatever checked in, and he just fucking mopped the floor with everybody. Jesus, wow. Back to back to back. [1:26:47] Do you think that Bo Nickel has taken a little page from that whole thing? [1:26:52] game, which is, I'm going to just blast W or grab him. We're going to find out. They just announced a fight for him. Yeah, but what do you do with Rene? It's different, though. Yeah, when he fought Reiner DeRitter, first of all, what do you do? You're going to get him to the ground? And then what happens? You're going to get strangled. Like, DeRitter's way better with jiu-jitsu. Way better with jiu-jitsu. And what if he reverses you and gets you on your back? [1:27:13] So he didn't want that. Also, Derrida is way bigger. So that's why he didn't. Derrida is 6'4", and he's a giant 185. Giant. Bo Neville could fight 175. [1:27:22] Oh! Oh my god! [1:27:24] Thank you. [1:27:24] Oh, wow. [1:27:28] Oh, wow, he let it go. Damn. These guys are exhausted. This was a crazy first round. Yeah, it was. [1:27:34] But now that this guy weathered the storm, what a fucking chin Jones has. Dude. What a chin, because this dude took some bombs. Other dudes can be gassed. Is everybody going to move into a crucifix now, too, after that fucking DDP fight? How many times did he get him into a crucifix? Man. Last time you saw that was so nuts. I think it took a full five minutes he had him control. Yeah, bananas. But was he doing too much damage there? No. But I also think it's a mistake where people are like, oh, the Hamzat style is boring. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[1:27:59] That's how he fought DDP. [1:28:01] These next guys, like he's a finisher, man. He's a fucking savage. Yeah. Yeah. [1:28:05] Well, he wanted to win, right? He's got to Kimura again. To your point, Joe, he wanted to win. It's also his first time. And I know it's Hamza, and he's this big. There's all this hype. Remember, it's his first chance at a title. You're fighting DDP. Get the W. You don't want to risk it on your feet. But he even went in the corner with Shrukin. He was in his corner. He goes, I want to stay in Shrukin. He goes, absolutely not. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep wrestling. We have it in the bag. He's like, keep doing what you're doing. I want the box. I want the king. He also learned a valuable lesson. [1:28:34] Because if you look at his fights in the past, like the big question was cardio. Was will he fade in the fourth and fifth, whereas DDP just never stopped? See, I don't think that got answered. Because if you did a UFC fight and you were just on top the whole time doing jiu-jitsu, I don't find out much about that because that's what you do. But he learned an important lesson from it, that if you can ride the guy and make him carry body weight for the full time of the match, it doesn't matter how good the cardio is. [1:29:04] Even if his VO2 max is much higher than yours, he's going to get faster.

[1:29:12] lesson [1:29:13] where he just basically just recreated what Khabib does. Like with Gilbert, he was just striking the whole time, and you saw he started to get... Also, Gilbert has a guard. [1:29:21] Yeah, Gilbert has a very dangerous guard, and I think that was part of the problem. And he was compromised at 170, I think. He's so big. How he got to 170, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, I think you're right. Compromised at 170. What the fuck? That weight cut was brutal. He's a legit 6'2", isn't he? He's big, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's strong as shit, man, which is really crazy that he got himself to 170 and still maintain any strength. That wrestling strength. Yeah. [1:29:43] Christ. [1:29:44] I don't know who's going to beat him at 85. Bro, Okie is tired. [1:29:49] He is tired. He went all out to get the finish. [1:29:51] Well, Chael Sonnen famously said that once. [1:29:54] If you go for a finish and you do not get it, you won't win a decision. [1:29:59] It's not always. It's not always a case. But it's a very astute quote. [1:30:03] Yeah, you'd use all your adrenaline. [1:30:06] getting tossed. Which thing of jail matches with the two buggy chokes? I heard that was a kind of exhibition, though. They look fake. Yeah. [1:30:15] Looked at work. Yeah, I believe it was fake. [1:30:21] I think it would happen anyway. [1:30:24] Perhaps. I mean, I knew you had a match at ADCC. [1:30:30] Chael also took it on like a day notice. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how that should go. I'm sure he was in mid-camp anyway. Gordon, have you ever rolled with any of those high-level Russian wrestlers or taggies? [1:30:41] Thank you.

[1:30:42] uh... [1:30:44] No. I mean, there's some Sambo guys, like... [1:30:47] We had like a couple of smaller guys that used to train out of Ricardo. Ricardo made those camp. [1:30:53] But none of the big guys, no. I was listening to you talk about the importance of watching, studying, the minutia, like tape, like sitting there and watching stuff. [1:31:03] Like almost the way a football player watches tape. Mm-hmm. [1:31:07] Nobody does that, huh? Yeah, they do. [1:31:09] I'm saying with jiu-jitsu. [1:31:11] They do, but most people just don't know what to look for. [1:31:14] Oh, nice spinning elbow. Yeah, you just break it down. They look for the wrong things or just surface level things most of the time. Like Sorokian and Hamzat would watch hours of tape. Really? And they'd watch it with no commentary, and they'd watch hours and hours to pick up tendencies from the guy. And if the guy only did it once, they'd watch like five of his fights. Really? If he only did a move once, it's not in his repertoire. So they're watching tape all the time. [1:31:40] All pros are big. Yeah. At this level? Yeah. You don't make this level just... But if you look at the wrestling that the Dagestani guys do in fighting... [1:31:47] There's no real... [1:31:49] place to study that wrestling. You have to create your own system because it's not jujitsu. It's not wrestling. Like if you look at freestyle wrestlers, freestyle wrestlers historically in the UFC don't hold anybody down. Like they, [1:32:00] The takedowns are scored by the actual takedowns in freestyle wrestling. Yeah, I always wondered why... But that's a good point. Not control. Yeah. The takedown when we were fighting means nothing. It's the control that actually scores. Like, can you hold the guy down and actually...

[1:32:14] keep him down and do damage. That's why the daggies are dominant. Is that why Yoel Romero never used his wrestling? Because he was so... I think that was a cardio issue. Really? [1:32:22] He would put guys down, but he wouldn't hold them down. Like when Khabib and Hamza put guys down. Oh, Jones is fucking okay up. Or keep them down. Or George put a guy down. Like he would keep them down. [1:32:34] Okie's in real trouble. And George did a better job at punishing guys as they got up. [1:32:40] Oh, his elbows. Comes out and Khabib do a better job of controlling. Of controlling and making the carry body weight the entire time. Jones has some fucking cardio, man, because this is a crazy pace. And they're in the middle of the second. He's just smashing this dude. They're about to stop it. Oh, my God. He's going to go out. He's going to go out. Co-main event, baby. Come in hot. Wow. What a comeback. Wow. Paul Craig's fighting first. [1:33:04] Oh, Paul Craig. That's my favorite guy to watch when he's on his back. Yeah, his guard. Paul Craig can pull some shit off. He's one of the rare guys. I think he's lost six times last to eight. Yeah, he loses. But the UFC just re-signed him. [1:33:17] Oh, he's fighting Modestus Bocacus. [1:33:20] He's fun to watch. I like him at light heavyweight, too. When he got down to middleweight, I was like, boy, how hard is that? You're so big. Are there any Americans left in the UFC? There's no Americans. There's no American champions anymore. Kayla Harrison. Oh, Kayla Harrison. She's the only one. Males. No males. I don't know. Is she going to fight Nunes at 45? At the White House. At the White House. 35? 35. Make it 45 for her. I mean, that's just painful. She made 35 to win the title. That's the champ. She's the champ at 35. That fight's at the White House. She was at the White House yesterday, I think. How did she suck that weight?

[1:33:50] Martinez has been the 45-pound champion, and then they just abandoned the weight loss. Yeah. Because there's like three big bitches. [1:33:58] And she was running through them. You know, like her match is at 45. Yeah, I saw Kayla at one of the UFCs and just... [1:34:04] Like when she was probably 175. [1:34:07] I mean, it's obscene. She's thick. She looks like Lace and Tebow. She's incredible. She's incredible. [1:34:11] She's just incredible. She's like just incredible, like just, you know, a body like that. I'm too light in the ass, but, you know, I appreciate it. [1:34:17] Yeah, would you like her to grab you and throw you around a little bit? If she only had a huge cock. She'd stuff in my mouth against my will. If she only had a beard and a cock. She's my type, but she's just missing the cock. One of them beards, like Gordon Ryan type special operator beards. No, I think she's... [1:34:34] Yeah, she's a pretty girl. And you're talking about the greatest judoka ever out of America. And Joanna Ingenjek, I thought she was very hot. You don't see her when she's all skinny and stuff. I saw her at the UFC in a dress. She looks a lot better now. Jesus, yeah. [1:34:49] She was starving herself to make that weight her whole life. She was a great, great fighter. But Kayla Harrison, supposedly that's the... [1:34:57] She's going to find the White House card. Valentina Shevchenko is, I find her very attractive. [1:35:04] Yeah, cool. I'll share that with you guys. You like how she got a gun tattooed on her hip? I do. Yes, I do. Yes, I do, sir. She's a real-life black widow. You can take kind out of that sentence. She's a real-life black widow, like the lady from the Avengers. Fuck yeah, shoots guns. Yeah, like really good, too. No shit. She's a really good Marx woman, I guess you would say. And she's fighting Wehle.

[1:35:24] Yes. That's going to be very fun to watch. Well, at this point in her career, it seems to me that she doesn't wade into the fire like she did when she was younger. She's smarter, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can't take – And then she grapples heavy, too, if she has to. Very good grappler. Yeah. Very good grappler. But Zhang Wei Li is a demon. Crack. She's a demon. Chinese demon. She comes out – and she can do everything. Artificially creative. She's got to deal with that wrestling, though. That's the one thing I think. Yes, that's going to be a problem. Shepshank has got that edge. Yeah, well, it's going to be interesting. [1:35:54] is even stronger at 125 because I don't know how much weight she's cutting. I don't know how hard that 115 cut is. But when you're down that low, 10 pounds is a giant difference. It's so big. There's never been any movement on just making another weight class in the middle of that? God, there should be. There should be a weight class. It's not happening, fellas. [1:36:12] It's never happening. Why? There should be a weight class every 10 pounds for men. Like boxing? Yeah. No, boxing is a lot more. Boxing is a lot more. It's just. They just need it where there's tweeners. Like 85 to 205 is bananas. 20 pounds is crazy. Well, hold up. Remember, I would fight at 230, 235. Every guy I fought was 265. Right. Think about from 206 to 265 is a weight class. That's insane. It is insane. Really, that should be a cruiser weight. Yeah. It should be a 225 weight class.

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[1:38:15] the classic leathers like cowhide and goat, but they've got all the exotics too for when you want to level up your look. [1:38:23] If you've been thinking about your next pair of boots or, hey, even your first pair, go check out Tecovas in-store or online at tecovas.com. That's T-E-C-O-V-A-S dot com. And right now, get 10% off at tecovas.com slash Rogan when you sign up for email and texts. I think they're calling it bridge or weight. There's like a 220-something weight class. Meanwhile, the gorilla over here couldn't make 225. [1:38:53] He could. Well, he could, but it would be horrible. I could. It would be dehydration. I could, because I'm not doing tons of cardio now. If Pereira can make 185, he can make it. He's got big bones. But the thing is, like, big, strong muscle guys actually can lose more weight. That's why Yoel could do it, because your muscles are mostly water. Oh, is that right? That makes sense. [1:39:13] Yeah, bridge or wait. That's it. We couldn't remember what that was the other day. That's an awesome idea. [1:39:18] Yeah, it's a good move. I think that they should have legitimately a weight class every 10 pounds in MMA, and I don't think that's bad. You'd have a ton of talent. I think you'd have 205, and you can get a little crazy there and go 205, 225, and then I think for heavyweight, it should be unlimited. It shouldn't be you have to make 265. The problem is you get big sloppies. So what? We've got to sell this thing. Big sloppies get fucked up. They don't have a problem with that in boxing. You already have big sloppies now. Yeah. Look at Moses Saitama, right? Boxing doesn't have a problem like that.

[1:39:48] That kid is only like 250 or something like that, or 240-something. I mean, the UFC has a prom at 265. There's no talent right now. There's no big guys. Right, but you don't have to be 265. You could be 300. You could be 205. Like a Brock Lesnar. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look at Brock Lesnar. Or Francis, if he didn't cut weight. Like Francis cuts weight. Or Tim Sylvia in his prime when he was... What is Francis more crime at? We're manufacturing big guys right now. [1:40:18] Francis at his highest is probably around 300. What? I had dinner with him one night, and he was 295. What? Seriously? All muscle. And there's no fat on him? No. I was sitting next to him, and his fucking leg was the size of my fucking torso. Jesus Christ. He's so good. So he had to cut weight to get to 265. What? Imagine that. So did Carwin. So did Lesnar. Some of those boys did. I'm so horny right now. Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt. I remember when I was training at Amal Easton's place in Boulder, and Carwin walked in. [1:40:48] human being. It looked like one of the Avengers. It looked like the Thing. It looked like the Thing. He was so big. First time I met Carwin, I look at him and I go, I don't know what I'd do if I had to share a jail cell with you. And he goes, I didn't even know him. He goes, you'd suck my cock. [1:41:04] And then he picked me up. I didn't even know he'd pick me up. And he squeezed me. And I started tapping. He goes, that's 30%. That dude had giant fists. His fists were preposterous. 4X, right? 4 and 5X? Yeah.

[1:41:18] He had the biggest glove ever. He was your main sparring partner, right? It was good for your head. That's all I had. Just punching each other in the face. It was a great team. [1:41:27] We push each other. Bro, how good is Lerone Murphy? [1:41:30] How good is he? How about Poirier and Pico? Yeah, is that what they're going to do? They did it. What do you mean? They're on Murphy fucking spinning elbow, Aaron Pico. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I thought you said Poirier and Pico. Sorry, I got a speech impediment. I thought you said that. I was like, what? The Poirier, what? I was so confused. I was like, Pico's going to 55, but he just got knocked down. He looked so good. I got mad. Pico looked so good. He looked so good, man. Yeah, he's so slick. He's too aggressive. [1:42:00] Look at even Pico. Pico took him down. Amazing wrestler. And couldn't hold him down. That's a good point. If you had that daggy wrestling. [1:42:10] Yeah. You could control him more. But even the first 26th, I looked at my wife. I go, Pico's going to get knocked out. She's like, what the fuck? I'm like, he's way too aggressive. You can get away being that aggressive at these lower levels. Bellator, PFL, all that shit. Right. When you're fighting a world-class guy, dude, they're going to use that aggression against you, and you're going to get fucking shit. He timed. That's so nice. You're not just going to get starched. You're going to get so fucked up. I thought it was a lucky shot, and then I was like, of course he did. Yeah, I don't know. That's the vaccines talking. Yeah, that's the vaccines shit. It's the vaccines. I love it. [1:42:39] There's a few guys. Look at that. What is that joke? [1:42:43] Is that an anaconda? [1:42:45] I didn't see the start of it. [1:42:46] Look how he gets over him and starts barking.

[1:42:50] He's in that fight in herd camp, right? Yes. He's one of the best. [1:42:54] That's a good fight. That's a really good fight. Him and Lopez. It's in San Antonio, isn't it? Next Saturday. It was supposed to be in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, Lopez got... Who did he lose to? The last fight. Who is it? Volkanovski. Yeah, that's right. God, Volkanovski is so fucking good. To come back, by the way, at that weight class, too? At his age? At his age, yeah. They should go Murphy versus Volkanovski. I talk too much. Rob Font is doing his camp with us. There's the choke. If you want to analyze it, Gordon. [1:43:19] It looks like a figure four guillotine, but Bryce tried to turn out of it. Jesus. I think it started... [1:43:27] when he was chest to back. Remember, that was Bryce's discipline fight because he praised Hitler. It's a figure four guillotine, and he tried to turn out, but he didn't. Oh, he couldn't. You're not getting out of that. Yikes. [1:43:38] Yeah, I talked to O'Malley about, like, I said, what is it about Merab, his chain wrestling and stuff? And he was like, he's so, he's actually, he said, Sean said he's fucking strong. He's way stronger than you can imagine. Like, he's just... [1:43:52] Some of these guys just made a medal. That motherfucker worked so hard. Rob? Yeah. So hard. When DC went to visit him the day after he won the title off of Sean, he was running. [1:44:02] What? The day after, DC went to his home in Vegas, and he goes, Marab's out running! And DC made a video. Can you believe this motherfucker? He showed his gym and everything. The day after the fight. The day after the fight. So Sunday, he went to visit his friend, who just won the title, Marab is running. Well, dude, when he was wrestling with... [1:44:20] The gold medalist, Henry Cejudo. He was winking and saying shit to Mark Zuckerberg. Cageside. Yeah. He's like, ah, ah, ah. How about he picked him up? Picked him up like a doll. Kissed his back. Yeah, just threw him to the ground, laughed. Murab has the best whip in UFC history. What? It's cardio. It's cardio. He's also just so good. It's strength, too. And what you've got to like about him is he's super active. Where most champions aren't, he wants to fight all the time. That's 1,000 pounds.

[1:44:46] Eh... [1:44:47] Well, he trains so hard, and he trains constantly. And, you know, when I... [1:44:53] Talk to guys who train with him in the gym. They're like, you can't even just watch him hit pads. It's nuts. Really? He just does everything full blast. [1:45:00] Full blast all the time. And so he's gotten acclimated to just this insane workload. And he loves it. Yeah. Same work rate. Also, he's from a part of the world where, like, Georgia's tough. Yeah. That's a tough part of the world. Because you have one option. One option. Fight your way out. D.C. was on Shea Shea Show, Shannon Sharps. And they're asking him, they're like, what is it about the Dagestanians? And D.C. gave a great answer. I love the interview. He goes, it's not that they're better athletes or that they, any of that stuff. They're not better athletes than we are. It's just they have no other option. [1:45:30] So like, because Shannon goes, well, your son has all the resources. Yeah. But over there, they have nothing. So my son has all the resources. Yeah. He's like, they have to make it. Where my son can fall back on his dad. Over there, there's no fallback. So they train their ass off. Because they have to. Also the hunger, the drive to succeed. In Russia, it's supported. Those countries, like you get a doctorate in boxing and shit. Like, you know, you get a state stipend. [1:46:00] The championship owns like half of Russia. Yes, he does. That's the award. Yeah, like try to get him to fight again, man. He's like, what? Why? Why would I do that? Why would I put myself through that? [1:46:10] Plus, he's got to weigh 200 pounds now. Yeah. Thick. He's very thick. He's big. He's a lot bigger. I think Islam only has like two or three left max. Maybe two left. Really? Yeah. What makes you think that? In his interviews, he's talked about it. Really? Yeah. Dude, John Fitch said when he would wrestle, and John Fitch is an insane wrestler, and John's probably 200 pounds walking around.

[1:46:31] John said, in fact, it was 205 when I was talking to him, and he said when he would wrestle Khabib, if he could stand up. [1:46:37] once in practice with him, it was a good day. Like, that's John Fitch. It is very fascinating what you're saying, Gordon, that there is a giant difference between just regular freestyle wrestling and control-based MMA wrestling. Yeah, it's completely different. There's different rules, different scoring criteria. Like... [1:46:56] The takedowns themselves score, and the higher amplitude the throw, the more... [1:47:01] points you score whereas when you're fighting especially at the heavier weight you want to lift the guy fucking over your back [1:47:07] multiple times. You get tired, and the more energy, the throw, the higher amplitude, the less control you have when you land. Americans just need to adapt to that style. Again, they don't have some secret. It's just we need to adapt our style to it. Yeah, but they adapted early on, and that's the secret. There's so much to it, though. There's so much to it. But if you look at the Dagestani guys, they are significantly better than the Americans and everyone at riding chest to chest, and especially riding chest to back. [1:47:37] it's pretty easy to hold the guy down if you just stuff him in half guard and you ride chest to chest. But when the guys start to turtle and they turn away, like... [1:47:45] Khabib, the only thing that ever fucked up Khabib was when guys grambied on him. Like a guy, I forget who he fought earlier in his career, grambied a few times and actually got away. Actually reversed him one time. I acquaint him. Yeah.

[1:47:59] actually follows Granby's pretty well. Like DDP tried one Granby, I think it was, and Hamzat followed through. Their ability to ride chest to back – [1:48:06] and just keep hands on the floor the whole time. So the entire weight, like for 22 minutes, DDP was carrying Hamlet's entire body weight. It's also their wrist control. So they take away their foundations. One of the most anxiety-filled moments I ever had calling a fight was when he got Michael Johnson, and when Khabib got Michael Johnson in a Kimura, and Michael wasn't tapping. I'm like, please tap, please tap, please tap, because it was like full on. You're not getting out. If he wanted to, he could have snapped a shoulder. Was that when he was talking to him, saying, come on? [1:48:36] He said, you know I deserve this. You know I deserve title shot. You know I deserve this. Come on, give up. Give up. I would have been like, you know, you're right. [1:48:47] was he actually ended up in bottom position at the end of the fight. Yes. And he ended up in half guard. He couldn't get up, and DDP passed him. [1:48:56] into mount, and then briefly took his back. He fucked it up, and he fell off, so everyone forgot about it. [1:49:01] Hamzat himself wasn't that good at getting up when he was in bottom position. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a very good point. He did a really good job at holding the guy down, but when he actually got... [1:49:10] put in bottom position. [1:49:12] It's funny because he knows how to hold the guy down. So in theory, he should be able to reverse engineer that and say, I'm doing this, this, and this to hold the guy down, so I need to deny him the ability to do this, this, and this. But I'd be curious on Hamzat's camp how often guys are getting him [1:49:28] Where he's working on his back. Nobody is.

[1:49:30] Yeah, probably nobody. Well, that's his problem. He should be putting himself in those positions. Yeah. [1:49:35] 100%. [1:49:37] You know another good matchup that's coming? Yeah. [1:49:39] Bo Nickel is fighting... Oh, I just saw that. I forget who it is, though. Rodolfo Vieira. Rodolfo Vieira. What about him? Is he a really great jiu-jitsu guy? World champion. You ever seen his body? He makes Glaze and Tebow look like a fatso. Yeah. Show me Rodolfo Vieira's body. You ever seen Rodolfo? Rodolfo is one of the greatest. He's a jiu-jitsu guy. Oh, my God. He's got one of the freakiest bodies you've ever seen. Fuck. [1:50:02] In MMA. An amazing jiu-jitsu guy. World-class jiu-jitsu guy. I think that's a tough matchup for him. Look at that. God damn it. Oh, that guy's fucking awesome. I saw him at Metamorris. Bro, he's a beast. He fought somebody. He's ridiculous. He's a beast. Yeah, I'm built for dance. This is such bullshit. Look at that. But in MMA, his striking is much improved. He's getting a lot better. He's getting better. Has some experience. Dude, come on. It's a good fight for Bo. He's better than fucking Paolo Costa. That just shows you how fucking dangerous Fluffy Hernandez is. Because Fluffy cooked him. [1:50:31] He finished him. Fluffy be fucking people up. He fucks people up. He breaks them. Someone was calling him the middleweight Merab. And it's like that. Like, he melts guys. He melts guys. And it's interesting because he doesn't have, like, a world-class background in wrestling. He quit wrestling, I think, his freshman year in high school. So he doesn't have, like, this extensive wrestling background. Dog. Remember, you, me, and Matt Mitrion, we were backstage, and Rodolfo had his shirt off. And he's just standing like that. When? At my fight? It was at your fight.

[1:51:01] on you and we were all looking at him like this. [1:51:04] Like teenage girls. It's like, the fuck is going on with that guy's body? He has a preposterous build. [1:51:10] preposterous. [1:51:12] It's interesting, though, how he doesn't have a lot of submissions in the UFC. [1:51:17] No. Guys, avoid it. [1:51:18] Guys avoid it, keep it on the feet. It's like Bouchesha, too. He came over. He's doing well in one championship, then came over to the UFC, and he got fucking dealt with, man. I love Bouchesha. It's just different. But it just didn't translate. And then Boudet, the guy who beat him, they cut. Yeah. I didn't watch that fight, but from what I understand, Bouchesha had a hard time holding him down. He had his back so many times, but he was getting high. It's like, buddy, I need to know the logic. Jiu-Jitsu 101. How does a guy win a fight, and then you cut him? [1:51:43] Boring. [1:51:44] UFC's there for entertainment. They did that. Was it that boring? I mean, that's how you're supposed to fight that guy. Like, you say Hamzat's fight with DDP was boring then. Oh, I loved it. But I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. But with him, it's, you know, heavyweight, no finishes. Yeah. [1:51:59] And he had a body of a, you know, a lunch lady. But we can't sell this. We can't. You're the toughest lunch lady in the world. We can't fucking sell it. I mean, cutting him off a win against Boucher is kind of rough. [1:52:11] I agree. [1:52:12] They didn't cut him. They didn't re-sign him. [1:52:16] That's the same thing. [1:52:18] Hey, tomato. [1:52:21] Touch your boy Dana. I'm a Dana. I would be the worst for that because I would be like anti-marketing. I would be, there's the number system. Let's figure out what the number system is. So number one, the champion, always has to fight number two. Yeah. That's it. We're trying to make money. Yeah. I get it. But, I mean, I feel like. We're trying to see who the best guy is. If it's football or baseball or anything like that, like you have to do this and that's how you get to the number one.

[1:52:48] You'll see it in time. Craig's got to be careful of that overhand right. I bet not. But they'll make more money than me. They'll make way more money than my version, which takes place on a football field. Dude, you and Eddie in that fucking football field and no gloves. No gloves. No, no, not argue that with them. No gloves. Years of arguing. Up kicks allowed. Up kicks allowed. Soccer kicks allowed. Stomps allowed. Some pride. Pride. Old pride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But better. God. Because pride didn't have elbows. [1:53:14] True. Which is really bananas when you think about it. That's where they drew the line. Think of what Rampage Jackson did. Do you remember when Ricardo Rona, that crazy slam off the triangle? Yeah. Now imagine that's okay. Yeah. [1:53:26] But you can't elbow a guy. No, that's where we draw the line. Or like Vandalai. Like Stomp Kicking did. Did Pride even have standing elbows? I don't remember. Name one elbow you ever saw. That is so crazy. And we see Crow Cop soccer kick guy in the face. Yeah. [1:53:44] They're like, that's good. That is so crazy. They didn't even allow standing elbows. That's where they draw the line, dude. They used to have headbutts. You could be in somebody's garden to start headbutting. No, no. That was UFC. That was early days. They used to do that. Were they Pride? Yeah. Maybe early days of Pride had that. Because early days of Pride was like 94. And there was still headbutts back then. Because I remember when I was working for the UFC in 97, Mark Coleman was using headbutts from the guard. They used headbutts, yeah. Yep. And with wrestling shoes on. Come on. That's insane. Yeah, bro. Everybody got on the sauce. [1:54:14] Everybody got saucy. That's a rumor. Everybody got saucy because that dude would hold you down and headbutt the fuck out of you. Do you want to talk about somebody on the sauce when you look at Mark Kerr and his heyday? Oh my goodness. Cast in America besides Randy. He was like 285. I was there when Kerr threatened. He wrestled at 188 in college, senior year I believe, and he was 260. And then he was like, this is gay. I'm going to 285. When Kerr fought Dan Boba and he stuck his chin in his eye.

[1:54:44] Oh, God. [1:54:47] I'll tap. Look, that's me interviewing him. [1:54:50] I was with you, Bubba. Size that motherfucker. I was with you. We went to that fight. [1:54:54] We talked to him afterwards. Crazy. How about the Rock? Look at that picture of him next to it, the sad truth. Oh, my God. That's crazy. How about the Rock had to get on more steroids to play him in a biopic? [1:55:06] That's how big Mark Kerr was. Oh, yeah. If you wanted to be legit. Hey, Rock, we need you to play Mark Kerr. We need you to get on more steroids. I hear Rock got, like, they got an eight-minute standing oars. He's natural, dude. [1:55:15] yeah okay rock lost a lot of weight he lost a lot of weight you see him now he slimmed down i bet getting that big probably felt like shit well someone was like hey your heart's gonna explode right and number two you're 50 and your heart's gonna explode your 50 your heart's working overtime and you don't have the forged internals anymore and also he wants different roles he doesn't want to just play the action right right right of course yeah they all want to do that that's why he wants to get into politics batista [1:55:40] That's why he... Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. [1:55:42] He lost all that weight, too. And people are like, oh, you look so scrawny now. And he was like, I'm 6'4", 240. Yeah. What are you talking about? He's like, I need a break, too. My fucking body, man. The difference between him at 300 pounds being very unhealthy. He's like, I feel so much better now. He was so big, man. Yeah, I saw him in an interview recently. [1:56:01] Thank you. [1:56:03] I love that guy as an actor, but the thing that he did on the Jimmy Kimmel show where he was like mocking Trump and like punching the heavy wagon and calling him a bag of milk. It was so cringy. Who is this? He's like, you think you're a tough guy? Yeah. Fuck, dude. Okay. He's 80. What are you doing, dude? You're so cringy. You're punching the bag? Yeah, so bad. Like, what is this? Who said you should do this? Have you ever seen his... Because if he wins, this is a bad look. I bet you got paid, though. I bet he did. It's like Travis Kelsey with Pfizer. Yeah, he did. He did, like, 20? 20 mil.

[1:56:33] He told me how much he made it. I went, I get it. He probably said, give me that Biden dose. The one with saline in it. Yeah. [1:56:40] What's that? Batista had an MMA fight. Yeah, he had one MMA fight. Yeah. He took a guy down. He did a prom belt in jiu-jitsu. [1:56:45] Yeah. [1:56:46] Big fucking strong motherfucker. You always got to be careful with celebrity belts. Matt Arroyo, I think he's a teacher. What are you trying to say? [1:56:52] Who's got one that's illegitimate? Because everybody brings up that Moneybird guy. You trained with him. Yeah, I'm friends with him. Gordon, Gordon, Gordon. [1:57:00] Derek... [1:57:02] Everyone thinks that Derek is going to go out and beat [1:57:04] an ADCC champion. Paul Craig's about to get up. It's just not how it's going to work. But if he trained with a guy, he's 45 years old or 42 years old. If he trained with a 42-year-old black belt, he'd do fine. [1:57:21] That's all you need to hear. Because everybody was so against it in saying that because he's rich. But here's the thing. If you're rich and you have discipline. Oh, jeez. Oh, the K-O-M? That's it. Yeah, that's bad. That's really bad. The Comet event's coming up. What was that? That was a weird stoppage. It was bad. No, not really. It was really bad. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, he stepped away. Oh, it was after the bell. Oh, we didn't hear the bell. Oh, we didn't hear the bell. [1:57:45] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bukakis had the worst fucking knee injury I've ever seen in the UFC. Khalil Roundtree sidekicked him in the knee. Remember that? It was horrible, dude. He totally bent his knee sideways and down. See if you can find that, Jamie, so we can all cringe. I guess when it comes to giving that rich guy the black belt, I think for people that do jiu-jitsu, it's like there's different levels to black belt.

[1:58:15] It's three and a half. That's the thing. First of all, it doesn't fucking matter. [1:58:20] Like just get better jujitsu, the belts are relevant. [1:58:23] Good point. Good point. Wait, explain irrelevant. Just focus on getting better at jiu-jitsu. The belts are irrelevant. Agree. I didn't come up with a mark and give him his black belt. That's what I'm saying. I mean, listen, I didn't give him his black belt either. But Jake Shields did it. Jake Shields is very legit. So if he said he's a black belt. [1:58:43] I just take it at face value. No, I don't. Okay, watch this. Watch this. [1:58:47] Oh, Jesus. Bro, that's Khalil Roundtree, who's one of the nastiest fucking kickers in the sport. Knee is shot. Oh, look at him. He's just laying there in agony. And you know that's 10 months. Oh, at least. He had to get it reconstructed. But now, Bukakis has some big-ass legs. Here's the elbow that took Paul Craig out. Oh, my God. Isn't that crazy how sideways that goes? Fuck that. That goes so sideways, dude. It just blew it apart. God. [1:59:13] Your knees are on the air for this shit. But train seven days a week. Look at this. Like four hours a day. Who does? [1:59:19] Derek [1:59:20] That's a lot. That's legit. Yeah, man, if you've got discipline. With legitimate champions, and he has some of the best ability to recall information that I've ever seen. Like, I could teach him something. Vaccines. I could teach him something. Autism. Why autism? I could teach him something, and I'd come back a year later, and he's like, oh, we worked on this, this, and this last time. I guess he would do a black belt as far as knowledge rolling with you guys, but as far as competition goes, like, is he executing it against other guys?

[1:59:50] He doesn't compete. He has no aspirations. No, no, he means in training. Like, does he go against other, like, purple belts, brown belts? So he trains with a guy, so he comes in to train him. So he doesn't have, like, a lot of looks. Like, he doesn't go to, like, a normal gym and train, which I think is something that's important to do just for... [2:00:07] your just personal journey in jiu-jitsu um but but if he like we like we just opened the new school we just opened kingsway and we have like we have we have a bunch of black belts who come from other schools and you know he goes against it the last like 10 years i'm used to being around like a shitty black belt to me is like a guy competed at a world level and i call my submission on that's like my my like definition of a shitty black belt like but you actually go to the gym and you see [2:00:37] of brings you back to reality and you're like oh this is what most black belts are like if derek rolled with like a regular black belt in the gym he'd do fine maybe right because he's not doing it's like when brian told me he's really good at tennis and i said are you paying the the instructor but i but like you know what i'm saying like if you're paying the guy i train with normal black belts at the gym and i train with derek earlier like he i'm telling you he would do fine against the normal black belts well then that's what it is like you would know like like he's not gonna he's not gonna go out and win worlds but like if he had if he had to compete against like an average [2:01:07] been doing jiu-jitsu for 10 years, and he does it for an hour at a random gym in Kentucky. He would hold his own. He would probably beat him up, to be honest. Wayne McCulloch said about me on a radio station. I like how he brought it back to you. No, I'm going to tell you, because to his point, Wayne McCulloch goes, I'd put Brian in the ring. I laugh even saying it. He goes, I'd put Brian in the ring with anybody.

[2:01:31] Meanwhile, he's... [2:01:33] Even a remotely good amateur would knock me the fuck out right away. It's not just that. Being in the ring with anybody doesn't mean anything. It just means once you watch you get punched. Also, I never – I would spar with these guys. If they were good, they would take it easy, and they'd move around with a 48-year-old actor slash comedian. Like he's a 42-year-old hobbyist who's worth $100 million and focuses on making money. [2:01:56] And also trains four hours of that. He sounds awesome. If you're disciplined. Everyone's giving him shit because he used it to market. [2:02:02] himself and was like, you're too fucking stupid to get a black belt in three and a half years, and I'm not. That's why everyone's upset about him. Well, here's the thing. He does train hard every day. It's a great idea because I had no idea he existed, and now I'm defending him. [2:02:14] I defended him based on what you said. Who is this guy? Actually, he's here right now. He did the 10:30. Paul Craig just retired? [2:02:23] Good for him. Yeah, that's enough. [2:02:25] I... [2:02:26] I mean, that guy's been KO'd a gang of times, and he's a great guy. He's very smart, too. I'm sure. It gets to a point, though, right, where you get to an age? By the way, has a fucking submission victory over the champion, Magomedic Goliath. Caught him with a triangle. Yep. [2:02:40] His triangle is so tight. It's so quick, too. He got on 11. Yeah. With one second to go, dog. One second to go in the third round. Whipped up a triangle and fucking he made him tap with one second to go. That's how tight it was. And had the COVID vaccine the day before. That's what's incredible about it. Yeah, he had all of them. But, Gordon, you can see why some people, if a guy gets his background two years, you're like, okay, what's going on? Three and a half. But you're right. You're right. Which is fast than BJ Penn. But how much did he really train? So, like, this is the idea that we always say. This is what I always say when people talk about Jake Paul.

[2:03:10] Jigpaws, fucking YouTubers, this and that. I go, push all that away. Yes. But that doesn't mean he can't be good at something. And also, the kid was a wrestler in high school and college, legitimate athlete. [2:03:21] Like, if I just watched him, if I watched him knock out Tyron Woodley, just watched him, I'd say, that kid's a prospect. He's fun. He's exciting. He's young. He's got one-punch-go-to-sleep power. Yes, exactly. If he didn't have all that baggage. But that's the baggage. It's psychological. You look at him like, he's the YouTube guy. So a rich guy, like a Moneybird guy or a Zuckerberg, you say, oh, he can fuck that guy. But if he's got discipline and he can hire the best trainers, if he really doesn't, and he's tough. [2:03:51] actually mentally tough. He's in Austin. He did the 1030 to 12 class. [2:03:55] and then he's taking... [2:03:56] He's taking three two-hour privates with Giancarlo, Luke, and Marigali back and back. That's legit. So he's training from 10.30 until like 7 o'clock at night tonight. But you can't knock just that alone. And he's also been really successful in something else. So he applies that discipline to this. And not only that, the workload. If he's doing that many hours and he's doing it every day. It's a lot. This is the Gordon Ryan method, right? Your method has always been not just study harder than everybody else. But you don't take days off. That's a giant factor. [2:04:23] It's a giant factor. I talk about him all the time because that training 365 days a year is kind of nuts. No. Wow. No days off. I mean, if I'm sick or I have staph or my legs hurt, I can watch. I'm always there thinking about the sport. My thing with Jake Paul is take all that baggage away.

[2:04:43] You would still, if this is, if boxing had a belt class system, you would still say Jake is a blue belt with his experience. [2:04:52] You wouldn't say he's a black belt. He's not a master of the sport, even though he's dedicated to whatever the last four or five years. But this goes back to my original point, which is just belts are just fucking... [2:05:00] Yeah, this belt thing. Like blue belts can be the black belts now. They certainly can if they're strong and they're fast and they've got tight technique and the black belt's got a bad neck. So it's like a bad neck. If it's a really good black belt. The gym I came from, there was no blue belts, no black belts. I don't know what the fuck we're talking about. When I get the black belt in three and a half years? No, but I also don't have any black belts. Like my standard for a black belt is like so unrealistically high. [2:05:24] that I don't even... I don't have a black belt. Have you not given a black belt? No. Eddie had this kid... I don't have any black belt. Eddie had this kid that was a Division I wrestler. I wish I could remember his name because he was a fucking nightmare. Every time I roll... It was so ridiculous. We would do knee-on-belly drills and, you know, you start with knee-on-belly and this dude would throw me off him like I was a pillow and then when he would get on top of me and knee-on my belly, I was going nowhere. I was stuck there. We're the same size. We're the same size. He was... [2:05:48] crazy fucking strong. Now, that guy was a blue belt. [2:05:53] Do you know what I'm saying? He was just an elite wrestler who you just show him a few of these things – [2:06:00] And he already knows how to move his body and control people. But he doesn't know how to do an umma plot or a proper handball. He's terrible off his back. He's not a black belt. But he's also been wrestling. He could fuck black belts up. He could. Because he could pass your guard. He would smush you. He would guillotine you. But he was a D1 wrestler, right? He was a D1 wrestler who was jacked. He had this powerlifting routine that he would do. He would not skip powerlifting workouts. He's like, it's the most important part of my game. It was all clean. It was all power. All powerlifting.

[2:06:30] deadlifts, snatches. That's all he did. To the other end of that, we've had D1 guys come in to the academy and they get fucking smoked. That can happen too. Usually that's how it goes. But he was training for a couple of years. There's been blue belts or purple belts that come in and get fucking starched, man. It takes a long time to learn. What I'm saying is that this guy loved MMA. He was an elite wrestler. He was two years into jiu-jitsu, but he was a blue belt. That's what I'm saying. He's a blue belt, but you're in [2:07:00] I'm out. It's in fucking trouble. I just gave Jason Nolfe his blue belt. [2:07:03] Jason Nolfo is like having matches with like Renato Canuto. Like he's like having like... [2:07:08] He had matches like Tyrotolo. He's having competitive matches. And did you give him his blue because of experience? Well, he's like a world-class wrestler. [2:07:15] Yeah, that's such a fact. He's like American wrestling legend. [2:07:21] That's the best base. [2:07:22] If you can dictate where the fight takes place, that's the most important thing. Look at all the champs. Yeah, all fights start striking, but look what happens to a lot of these guys that have striking. And, like, did you see when Chaos Williams fought Gustafson? Yes. That fucking Viking dude? No. Chaos Williams, his terrifying power, terrifying one punch, just has a highlight reel of starching guys with one shot. This fucking Viking just got a hold of him and just absolutely ragdolled him for three rounds. [2:07:52] for chaos at the end. Just beating the shit out of him. Like I've never seen him do anything beat the shit out of chaos. [2:07:59] It's grappling. The wrestling is so goddamn important. If you can do that,

[2:08:03] and you can hold a guy and you can dictate where the fight takes place, that's number one. That's right. Even if a fight starts standing. It also creates the most champions. Because chaos is fucking dangerous. And Gustafson got KO'd earlier today. [2:08:13] He got KO'd by that Russian cat. I thought it was going to be a grappling match. Alexander Gustafson? He doesn't have... No, no, no. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Completely different. Andreas Gustafson. [2:08:23] fucking strength is insane. This guy does one-armed barbell snatches with 175 pounds. What? Oh, that dude. That dude. He's like the strongest guy. Find some video. There's a video compilation of him weightlifting. [2:08:38] It's insane. This is him. Yeah, that's like crazy. Look at how much weight that is. He got stopped today in the first round. What does he fight at? 170. Oh, my God. So my point is, at least in the Chaos Williams fight is a good example, the grappling is so goddamn important. It's number one. Number one for sure. Yeah. Yeah. [2:08:56] Number one for sure. You can dictate where the fight goes. I'll keep on a feet. Go to the floor. And if you're fighting for 20 years. [2:09:03] you take so much less damage than a striker. That's the thing no one talks about. Look how much damage Khabib took in his career versus Khabib. Khabib got touched four or five times his whole career. But that's why I say it's always way more impressive what Izzy's done, what Alex has done. When they're strikers and they don't have an option to grapple, and you know they're going to keep it on the feet and they get to that championship level, that level of difficulty is so much higher than what Khabib or these other grapplers are doing. [2:09:33] not [2:09:33] They're only going to do one thing. Right, Pereira. They're just going to – Like Pereira. That's what I'm saying, Alex. Alex is the best example. All they're going to do, they're going to knock you out.

[2:09:40] They have no other way to win. That's all they're going to do. And they get to the championship level. He was the guy I was the most excited about when he came over from Glory. Because I'm a Glory fan. I was like, dude, you've got to watch this. He's just different. Man, I just always knew. You always remember from gyms, right? There's always a guy in the gym that you're like, how are you doing that? How are you hitting everybody so hard? There's guys you'd watch them hit pads. You're like, [2:10:09] Okay, what the fuck are you doing different than everybody else? That's Pereira. You see him hit things, it's like, oh! You see him right hook that fucking punch machine? You know that punch machine? He got 190. [2:10:20] with his right hand his left hand is power hand dude [2:10:24] But his left hand was hurt, so he threw a right. Mike Brown said that about Dustin Poirier. He said Dustin Poirier knocks guys out all the time. Dustin Poirier is a terrific puncher, absolutely. But Poirier is a different thing, man. He's like a one-in-a-million guy. Really? The power this guy has is one-in-a-million. It's nuts. He's built like a praying man. He's built different. He's built like a fucking alien, man. His ass is this high. It starts in the middle of his back. [2:10:54] Like an absolute legit Amazon warrior. His family comes from an Amazonian tribe. Oh, my God. So the power this guy has. Did you see his sister? Oh, yeah. She's a fucking beast. She's knocking bitches out, too. She's a fucking good man. And technically, this is when he knocked out Izzy the first time. [2:11:10] Dude. Wow. Terrifying puncher. And then by the time he got to glory, he went up from 85 and put some mass on. Jesus, look at that. And that's when he started fucking people up, when he was a two-time glory champion in 85 and 205. Jesus. God, did they fast-track him. He's an LFA, starched dude. They put him right in the UFC. Right in the UFC. He just starts starching. Starches Michelaitis with that flying knee. Oh, my goodness.

[2:11:33] And then Starch is Sean Strickland. And then he had that one fight where Bruno Silva made the fucking thing. That dude, I forget who he's fighting. [2:11:41] That guy, there's so many guys in here. Like he fought Jason Willness and head kicked him and then flying kneeed him in the head. [2:11:49] Jason Willis is a world champion, dude. [2:11:51] Like an elite world champion. Good God. I know they have to have that. This is him against Dustin Jacoby. Watch that left hook. One more time. [2:11:58] One more time. That is... [2:12:00] fucking crazy power, dude. Look at this. Look at that power. It's just different, man. Every now and then, a guy, you'll see a guy hit the bag, you'll see a guy hit pads, you'll see a guy punch someone in the ring, and you're like, what is he doing different? [2:12:14] That's Pereira, like maybe the best example in kickboxing I've ever seen. Mm-hmm. [2:12:19] Because everybody knocks guys out. They're all killer strikers. Right. But his was different. There was a finality to what he did to people. Right. [2:12:26] Look at that. Oh, my God. Yeah. Ferocious. Jesus Christ. Bro, and these are big-ass gloves, right? Yeah. These aren't MMA gloves. 16-ounce, 14-ounce. No, no, no, no. They're 10. They're 10s. Yeah, they're 10s. But those are also world-class strikers he's knocking the fuck out. Yeah, this is Jason Willness. Look at this. Oh, my God. [2:12:41] Flying knee. Those are world-class guys, Brian. Jason Willis is a world champion dude. He head-kicked him first, and then he flying-kneed him out. Oh, my God. Bro. Bro. [2:12:51] He's not doing this against Cans. So no grappling. I mean, he had zero grappling. And in fact, he had one MMA fight. He got taken down and rear-nicked choked. So that guy got taken down and rear-nicked choked, which highlights how fucking important grappling is. Yeah, 100%. Then he hooks up with Glover.

[2:13:06] So that was the big thing. Glover Teixeira teaches him how to wrestle, at least a little bit. And then slowly over time you see it getting better and better inside the octagon. [2:13:14] Take down defense, standing up, all that stuff. But then you get to a certain point where there's not – I don't give a fuck if Gordon's teaching or whatever. There's not enough hours in the day to make up that gap when you get to a certain level at the UFC. That's right. Like for DDP – [2:13:27] There's nothing we can do for him to beat Hamzat. There's not enough time in his life to beat Hamzat in wrestling. He's not 21 years old where like, all right. Now you need to get Russians in there and they're like, this is what you got to do. He can definitely get better. Yeah. No doubt he can get better. But Hamzat is extraordinary. Yeah, he is. He's extraordinary. He said it wasn't his strength. He said it was his technique. You think you can, Gordon? [2:13:46] I think it's possible. I have to pee before I watch this fight because I'm excited about this. I think one of the worst backgrounds to get into with MMA, unfortunately, is jiu-jitsu with no wrestling and no striking. Classical jiu-jitsu. Yeah, you're fucked. Classical jiu-jitsu. I think it is the worst. Because you have no ability to dictate where the fight goes. Yep. [2:14:07] So if you if there's also an agreed upon. [2:14:12] unspoken rule in jiu-jitsu where one guy plays top one guy plays bottom correct right and the way that the point system is set up [2:14:19] in Jiu-Jitsu is that [2:14:21] the guy on bottom stays on bottom, the guy on top tries to pass. So, [2:14:25] They're showing a Hamzat highlight reel here now. [2:14:30] I want to [2:14:31] No, no, it's okay. So go ahead. Keep going. So it's usually... [2:14:35] It's usually the guy on top is patty cake, patty cake, patty cake, opportunity, passes, scores.

[2:14:40] backs away, patty cake, patty cake, passes, scores. So Jiu-Jitsu guys never actually focus on holding anyone down, which is why when they actually go to fight people... [2:14:48] They just have zero ability to keep him in bottom position. Yep. [2:14:50] And. [2:14:51] If you look at the finishers... [2:14:54] People are minimalists in jujitsu. [2:14:57] Whereas the ideal for jiu-jitsu is a maximalist. Like you do the minimum amount of work to win. So they pat a cake, pat a cake. [2:15:03] side control three points and they stall for the rest of the match. Whereas if you actually go in and you look at guys who... [2:15:09] actually work towards finality, then you have guys who are actually good finishers. Um, [2:15:15] And so if you just combine all this, like even Hadolfo versus that guy Fluffy is his nickname. Like he got to good positions. Like he mounted him. He took his back multiple times. But he spent his whole career just winning on points. So when he actually went to finish him... [2:15:29] It's not there. You don't have the mechanics to do it. Isn't that fascinating that the rule set kind of – it really kind of ruined a lot of what made jiu-jitsu important? Yeah. Yeah. [2:15:40] The number one thing that no one talks about in my career, which separates me, is the fact that [2:15:46] When I put people in bottom position, no one ever stands up. [2:15:50] And if they do stand up, they've used so much energy standing up that it wasn't even worth the stand up in the first place. [2:15:55] Like, [2:15:55] Everyone that I fight knows my passing is so good. [2:15:58] and they know my pins are so good. Like I know if they, if I, [2:16:00] Get chest to chest and half guard and pass them. I'm going to finish them. [2:16:03] So everyone's like, I'm fucking getting up. [2:16:05] Like I spent... [2:16:06] like I fought Andre, I fought Yuri, I fought all these guys. Like no one, everyone knows if I'm in bottom position I'm gonna get my guard passed and if I get my guard passed I'm gonna get a finish.

[2:16:15] I need to get up like my life depends on it. And nobody even gets close. And if they do... It sounds like bragging, but that's 100% true. When I fought Wagner, like you were there, Wagner tried his absolute horse to stand up when he was fresh. And if you look at it, he fought everybody else. He fought Craig, fought everyone else. He just kicks away, kicks in the hips. He fought MMA, kicks in the hips, stands up, and he's back up. [2:16:38] And so it doesn't allow you to keep pressure over time. I just put them on bottom and they just never got away. [2:16:44] And then the one time he did get away, it was so late in the match, he was so exhausted that I just let him up and then I just put him back in bottom position. So no one talked about the fact that I can hold people down. But the number one issue with classical Jiu-Jitsu guys is that they never spend any time holding people down. So when they first of all, they can't take them down. And if they do get on top, the guy just stands up. [2:17:02] Yeah. [2:17:03] Yeah, and... [2:17:05] Also, no striking at all. [2:17:07] So going into it with that, going into MMA with no ability to take a guy down, no real experience in holding guys down – [2:17:15] And then poor finishes. So even if you jump guard, for example, and you're in bottom, because you never spent your time actually working on submission finishing mechanics. Right. You can't even finish from bottom position. Guys who win jiu-jitsu tournaments and don't even attempt to submission. Yeah. [2:17:32] They just get mount inside control. [2:17:34] which is unlikely because you can't take the guy down. It's unlikely you're going to hold top position. And even if you are in bottom position, you're not dangerous enough to actually finish the guy. [2:17:44] So it's like classical Jiu-Jitsu is just getting phased out.

[2:17:47] We call it scrimmage wrestling. What the Dagestani guys are doing is going to be phased in. [2:17:51] I like how someone was mocking you about scrimmage wrestling and then it got used on him by Nicky. [2:17:57] I'm not denying it's wrestling. It's just a different kind of wrestling. And if you look at every historical... [2:18:03] piece of information. Like you look at Aaron Pico, took the guy down, [2:18:07] He's an amazing... [2:18:08] you know [2:18:09] classical American wrestler. [2:18:11] Couldn't hold him down. And then Hamzat was like the next match. He takes the guy down, rides in the hole, like had 23 minutes on top. The only reason he didn't have like a full almost 25 minutes was because he got stood up. [2:18:21] like, you know, midway through one of the rounds. I think it was like 23 minutes of control time. Like, I'm not saying it's not wrestling. It's just a different kind of wrestling. When you teach jiu-jitsu, like when you start with somebody, do you start from, what is the system? How do you start? Are they on the bottom first? But wait, before you get to that, this scrimmage wrestling thing, what I was getting to, it was like, somebody was mocking that. I was like, why are you mocking a term? Like, are you trying to pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about? It seems crazy. But then the exact same thing got done to him. Yeah, correct. [2:18:51] Got done to him in a match with Nicky Rod. That's hilarious. It's like everyone just thinks you can just come in as a collegiate or freestyle wrestler and dominate, and that's just not the way. [2:19:00] There's so many things in wrestling that work perfectly. There's so many things that don't work at all. There's so many things that don't make sense to do, like a fireman's carry. You hit a fireman's carry, the next thing you know, the guy's in a crucifix on you. Right. Or he has your back, or you're in a triangle. Do you remember when Big Daddy Goodrich fought Paul Herrera?

[2:19:14] Paul Herrera took him down, got him in a fireman's carry, and Big Daddy Goodrich locked his legs up, locked his arm up, and elbowed him 150 million times in the head. It was fucking crazy. So never do a fireman's carry then? It was back when there was – here it is. Look at this. Watch this. This is back when there's no tapping either. Look at this. Oh, my God. I remember this. He was out right away. The referee should have stopped this 80 elbows ago. I mean – He's dead. And by the way – Stop. Bro, bro. It's added a little extra here. [2:19:44] to it? Did they add it? It says 50 elbows to the head. I know, because it repeats itself here. I could just [2:19:50] But what is the actual number? Let's see if we can find the actual. Just try to find Big Daddy Goodreader. Oh, shit, we're watching Mauricio Rufi and St. Denis. [2:19:58] It's already started. [2:20:00] Oh, Rufy just popped him with a jab. These Comedy Mothership cigars are nice, Bubba. Yeah, it's a foundation cigar. Shout out to them. Now there's a connection. Take down score is nothing. Can he actually hold him down from this position? Well, Saint Denis is pretty good at holding guys down. I mean, clearly not on your level of it, but he does have a very pressure top base game. And so you look like Rufy didn't even try. He just accepted bottom position. [2:20:23] So it was like there was like there's no like now he's trying to get up. But he's already got it. It's a great game plan by. Oh, so this is huge for him. Full mount already. The question guy's cardio wears ass out. Look at that. He's going for the arm triangle. He's going hard for it. [2:20:36] Look at this. [2:20:37] And if you look at the pacing... Oh, my God. I think he's going to get it. It's called Leche de Padre. Bro, does it? That's what it's called. Father's Milk. [2:20:43] Really? You just bury him in your tits. I thought that was when you smother a guy. Yeah, that's what it looks like he's doing. Well, no, this is an arm triangle. He's isolating the right arm.

[2:20:54] What do you do, come out in a single leg, double leg? Yeah. [2:20:56] A bunch of double legs to waist up to a body. Mauricio's almost up. [2:21:01] Nope. He's got to lock the triangle. Oh, he's got his back now. Not good. Now he should go power half or he's going to get taken up. [2:21:07] Jesus [2:21:09] This is terrible for Rufy. Terrible. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Shake him off. Shake him off. [2:21:14] You should have went power half. [2:21:15] I can stand up. Just stand up. What did he do instead of power half? What did he do? [2:21:21] He just he stayed with two hands over the shoulders and then the guy just kind of [2:21:26] misaligned the body. Okay, now... So see, like, he had a takedown, and he couldn't hold them down. Right, and now they're back at their feet, and Rufy's fucking dangerous at a distance, dude. Look at that. Nice knee to the body. He's dangerous at a distance, and... Oh, it's nice. Do you know how mentally fatiguing it is to put a guy down and not be able to do any damage? And then, it's not just physical. It's like... Mental. It's like I put this guy down, and then he fucking got up on me, and I couldn't do anything to him. [2:21:48] Thank you. [2:21:50] He's like some special forces French guy. Yeah. [2:21:53] What is his exact military... [2:21:57] Whatever their fucking Delta team is over there. Is that what he is? Oh, he's one of those guys. Their version of it? Yeah, but there's like... The French are no joke. This dude's no joke. He's an intense motherfucker. He was thanking America for helping France in World War II in one of his post-fight speeches. Jesus. It's like, I love America. You helped us in World War II. I'm like, whoa. The crowd's like, what? This guy, what is he thinking about here? So he's got his back again. He's got a French Army Special Forces Command. He's got him down again. [2:22:23] Yeah.

[2:22:24] So far, this is not a good round for Rufy. So now we know about Rufy's grappling because what we've seen from him is just, well, also, Saint-Denis is a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. Yeah. [2:22:36] Now, look at that full mount again. Kufi can survive this. Arm triangle. Arm triangle. It's a great game plan by BDS. Gordon, do you guys start with the traditional guard? [2:22:46] Triangle as you start. So what kind of athlete am I trying to build? [2:22:50] Like an elite Brian Callen style. [2:22:54] If I'm trying to build an athlete from the ground up and I have time to work with him, I always start to be in bottom position. [2:23:02] Right, on his back. Because bottom position is the hardest to learn. [2:23:05] Um, [2:23:06] Most people start [2:23:07] Standing. Standing is actually the last thing I teach them. [2:23:10] Really? I start, yeah. Hmm. [2:23:12] Because if you can get good submissions and get off balances from bottom position, [2:23:16] Uh, good guard retention and good escapes, pin and submission escapes. Those are the first things that I do. So are more guys asking you to come in their camp? [2:23:24] He's yelling at something. He's complaining about something. Rufy is complaining about something. So he's holding the glove? [2:23:30] So he's holding something. Yeah. [2:23:32] He's holding shorts. [2:23:36] Homs not asked me to train [2:23:37] like a [2:23:39] A year or so ago? In Newport? No, I was in Sweden. I'm like, I'm not going to Sweden right now. He does the camps in Newport now. Yeah. It's not too bad for you. Yeah. [2:23:47] I can actually train hard. It would be great. [2:23:49] He had his hands in his shorts. [2:23:52] Yeah, you can't be doing that. [2:23:53] He's holding on to the shorts, I think. Is that what he's saying, Jamie?

[2:23:57] Hopefully he's grabbing his dick. Hopefully he's grabbing... That was a fight once. With Big Daddy Goodrich as well. He fought this dude, the Pedro, and he reached his hand into the guy's junk and fucking crushed his nuts. No. Yes, he did. It was legal, too. In Brazil. In Brazil. Yeah. [2:24:11] Yeah, there was no rules back then. He reached his hand and crushed the man with balls. How bad do you want to win, guy? How bad do you want to win, bitch? Oh, God. [2:24:19] Is it true that – is this bullshit when D.D. Dreykis DuPlessis had his finger in Kamzat's ass? [2:24:30] Is that true? Well, it's on TikTok a lot. I'm sorry, guys. Excuse my fucking friend. Okay, here we go. Edit that out. 50 seconds left. [2:24:39] God. [2:24:41] Oh, Rufy's swinging. [2:24:44] But he's got to be so exhausted now, and now he knows he can't get taken down. [2:24:48] Never seen Rufy like this before, man. This is interesting. Let's post him like this. [2:24:52] Well, I mean, you've got to think of the guys that Sandini has fought, too. He just fought Dustin Poirier. Oh, yeah, strength of schedule. [2:24:59] St. Denise, way higher. [2:25:01] Renato Moicano. [2:25:04] He's fought some pretty elite guys. He lost to Mike Conner, right? Yeah. He got beat up. But you see, like, even this, like, when you're standing. [2:25:10] There's so much less that has to go wrong. [2:25:13] for a good guy to get beaten by a guy who's much lesser. Like when you're grappling someone, so much has to go wrong in order to lose a guy who's worse than you. [2:25:22] If he took him down in the first 30 seconds of the round and he remained in top position,

[2:25:28] like just riding him, there would have been like almost zero danger in the round. [2:25:32] which is like what Khabib and Hamzat do. Correct. Whereas in this guy's last 50 seconds, if you're here versus here, you get knocked out. Yeah. Versus if you're on the ground, there's a lot of shit that has to go wrong to get beat. Especially when you're tired. That's the thing. It's like you have to make choices. Do I move now? Am I too tired to explode out of the way? I see him winding up. Do I try to duck? Like, what do I try? You don't have that, like... [2:25:53] When Atoma fought Dillian White, the in-and-out footwork... Wild. Woo! That, like... [2:25:59] After something like that, that shit's gone, right? So you can't really get out of the way as easily. That's why St. Denise is banking on. Even if I don't finish him, let's drain this fucking gas tank so his footwork's not as good, so he's not as dangerous on the feet. But this is such a good test for Hoofie because he really hasn't beat those high-caliber guys yet. It's such a good test. Here's a real question. Do you think that with guys like Merab and then Fluffy as well, but maybe to a slightly lesser extent, [2:26:29] races that like Goggins and Cam Haines does. And that we think that a marathon is hard, but it's just because that's all you're trained for. Correct. But guys like Cam do a marathon literally every day. Yeah. And it's just, you've got to go past where you think the boundary is. Yeah. [2:26:43] And a guy like Marab can keep that kind of pace up for five minutes because he's in that 100-mile running. You know what I mean? Is he genetically gifted where he can do that or is he just all mental? He says not. He says he used to smoke cigarettes. He doesn't know any better. That's true. They say that like Prefontaine, those guys have –

[2:27:02] harder bones in their feet and stuff like that. Well, that's also from use, though. Yeah. That's from use. That's the same kind of thing. Yeah, you get that from kickboxers. Yeah. You get that from weightlifters. Oh. Because I'm... [2:27:13] I'm sorry, I'm going to say it. [2:27:15] His hands are down a lot of times. He's close. Oh, he just got elbowed hard. That's why he gets caught, man. He got elbowed hard. Well, he's tired, dude. He gets reckless, too. He does get reckless. Well, he's a very violent man. Yeah. But here he goes. He got him down again. He wants the violence. He's got him down again. He's down to trade. He's got it. He's what? [2:27:28] He's down to trade. Oh, Rufy reversed him. Oh, this is huge. That means he's tired. That's what I was talking about. Scrimmaging. Yeah. Like Rufy was just like, I'm not accepting it. And every previous takedown, he's like, I'm accepting bottom position. This time he was like, I'm not getting put on bottom. And he just kept moving until he's in top position. [2:27:45] And now he's going to let them stand up. So every time this happens, Benoit is in more and more trouble. He's just got to be clean here and just don't get wild. [2:27:57] kicking with his hands down like that. He's going to get caught. He's going to get caught. [2:28:01] between these guys and a guy like Khabib. Yes. Saint Denis tried to take him down in the first round [2:28:06] and try to finish him in the first round. [2:28:09] So he had more submission attempts and more work towards submission a lot more than like a guy like a Khabib would. [2:28:16] but [2:28:17] now he's a lot more tired. Like Khabib and Hamzat spend the first, like if it's a five round fight, the first like two to three rounds just riding the guy. Like there's no submission attempts. Their sole focus is keep the guy down, control him. [2:28:30] make a very body weight. You know, see, this is the thing. If you get to like 155 pounds and you're a striker,

[2:28:36] You know, that is at the weight where, like, most of these guys can knock each other the fuck out. Like... [2:28:41] If this guy fought Ilya Teporia, he'd get knocked the fuck out. Start. Right? Or he could knock Ilya the fuck out. Like, it's so tight when you're at, like, a championship level and you're that fast and hit that hard – [2:28:53] That's a wild game. What you're saying, Gordon, is like... [2:28:57] It's so important for people to hear because that is the clearest pathway to success. [2:29:02] Like complete control on the ground. It's the least amount of damage you take. Right. It's safest post-career. [2:29:09] Correct. [2:29:11] Saint Denis, look at this. [2:29:12] Look at this. Oh, that's tight. Rippy's tired, too. Look at this. That's tight. Look at this. That's not fun. How much time? Two and a half minutes left. Fuck that. He's got to pull the hand down. If he pulls the hand down, he should be fine. Down underneath his chin. [2:29:24] He's battling it. Ooh, that is close though, Jack. [2:29:27] Oh, he's putting the squeeze on the jaw. [2:29:31] Thank you. [2:29:32] That's just... Oh! If he starts turning belly up... Oh, he tapped! He tapped! Damn, that's funny. Wow! Damn. Benoit Saint-Denis. That is the biggest win of his career. Yep. Oh, my God. Right in France. Yeah, that's a huge win. That's a fork in the road. That is fucking huge. That's the first loss for the Fighting Nerds, right? Yeah, and that's a big one, man. That's a big one. Vive la France! Because Rufy was the ninja, you know? Rufy was the guy that hit Bobby Green with that wheel kick. [2:29:57] and Rufy was the one he's got to be feeling it right now that's his boy and then the captain of the nerds is fighting the main event Benoit just starts shooting at the ground he could have turned out because he was actually budged against the fence

[2:30:09] So he wouldn't have been able to follow him. That's in his hometown, bro. That dude's a fucking beast. [2:30:15] Good for him. Yeah, he's a beast. [2:30:17] And the thing is, it's like he didn't get deterred from his losses either. You know, he gets beat up by Moicano, didn't get deterred, beat up by Dustin Poirier. He loses those. Then he wins that last one. That last one, he didn't look great. Strong mind. Looked great tonight. He took it on short notice. Did you do that to Rufy? That's big, man. That's big for him. I wonder. Well, maybe. We don't know how good. [2:30:37] roofie is you know yeah well we know how good he is standing you know yeah he just got submitted standing he was working on his wrestling a lot i think here well he's he started his background was judo initially he's grappling really good grappling [2:30:50] You know, not fighting MMA that long. He's only been fighting MMA for a few years. Wow. Really? Oh, yeah. Damn. [2:30:56] and really didn't start striking until later. [2:30:58] God. Yeah, he's kind of a freak, man. [2:31:01] I asked him at a post-fight speech, I said, like, how did you get so good so quick? [2:31:05] I thought maybe he'd have some insight, but I don't think he understood what I was saying. [2:31:10] But that is kind of remarkable. Uniquely violent man, you know? He's used to violence. Yeah, it's a different, like, level of understanding of violence. Yeah. You pulled up his background, Jimmy. What is his background? Look at him, shooting people back. Look at this, and cutting throats. Yeah, he's no joke. I'll fuck you up. First Marine Infantry Paratroopers Regiment, unit of the French Army Special Forces Command. He served as a French Special Air Service Operator in Maui during the war, and more generally in West Africa, fighting terrorist groups.

[2:31:40] an elite motherfucker right now. Fighting terrorist groups. Boko Haram and stuff. Terrorist groups in West Africa. Jesus Christ. So that's why he's so fucking violent. Yeah. And he's only started in combat sports in 2017. He walked in the gym in 2017. Well, I think he had a judo career before that, though. [2:31:58] This is, I think he did judo first, right? When he was younger, didn't he? [2:32:04] Does it say anything before that? [2:32:06] Yeah, practiced judo. At a good level. His mother was a teacher. His father was a French army officer who practiced judo. So he trained in judo in France and Germany at the age of eight. Okay, yeah. [2:32:19] Yeah, at the age of eight and learned a black belt. It doesn't say at the age of eight he got a black belt. It said he, beginning at the age of eight, and then he earned his black belt. He played football and rugby in his youth. So he's a beast. They mean soccer when they say football. He's been moving his body on a high level for a long time. Yeah, violent dude. Rugby. [2:32:40] You're also killing dudes in West Africa. Yeah, killing dudes in West Africa. Yeah, if you're an SAS guy like that, you were doing that for real. Yeah, he looks like it. Like when you talk to him. Yeah. [2:32:49] you know. [2:32:50] It's a very different consideration. Also, by the way, when you're in wartime like that, you're not as nervous. You don't expend a lot of energy with the nerves beforehand. You have more energy. Well, it's like what you've seen is so much worse than what you're about to do, right? You're just going to go into a fight. Yeah. And it's probably the only job that you can do in actual combat. Which gets you. When you fight the UFC, you're like, yeah, it's whatever. Yeah.

[2:33:14] Name another job you can do or it's going to get you... [2:33:16] ready like that. Yeah. Everything's a step down. Nothing. Yeah, that's the only thing that's going to make you calm. [2:33:22] Having survived war and then fighting in the octagon is a cake walk. Yep. [2:33:27] Especially to make it in that elite division [2:33:30] Well, think about what Francis went through. [2:33:32] You know? Think about what that guy went through. Didn't he walk through the desert? Walked through the desert like seven times, dude. They kept arresting him and bringing him back to the desert. Fuck. Fuck. [2:33:40] Yeah. [2:33:40] They literally try to kill you. Yeah. They try to take you when they capture you in Morocco and then drop you off deep in the desert. [2:33:47] And then every time you get a ride back. [2:33:49] God. [2:33:50] He did it seven times over a long time, like over a year. [2:33:54] A year and a half or something as a homeless person. Yeah, there's not going to be much quit in that guy. No, there's not going to quit. No, no, no. He's been through hell. I fought the desert, fuckface. He was living outside with like a tarp. And then when he got to France, he told me he was living in a parking garage. Wow. He was sleeping in a parking garage. You can't compete with that. Dude, how about his fucking luck, right? His son passes away, which is unthinkable. Horrible. And then he's riding a motorcycle, hits a young lady. She passes away. Yeah. It's fucking terrible. Horrible. [2:34:20] It's so scary. [2:34:23] But it's like, think about what that guy's been through and then like, what is a fight for him? You know? Yeah. [2:34:29] But even he, after the Stipe Miocic fight, he was kind of fucked up in the head. Hell yeah. And, like, when he fought Derek Lewis, like, barely engaged. Yep. We thought that fight was going to be chaos. Bro. We were like, here we go. We were like, this one's going to be chaos. I think my prediction was this one will go past two minutes. Yeah, I thought it was going to be hammers. Like, the worst fight ever. That was in modern day Houston Alexander and Kimbo. Yeah. Right.

[2:34:54] That's right. Yeah. [2:34:56] That was a very disappointing fight, but then he came back after and started starching fools again. [2:35:01] Who did he knock out first? Was it Junior or Kane? [2:35:05] Junior, right? Junior Dos Santos. Yeah. He beat the brakes off of Junior. And then he KO'd Kane. Well, Kane's leg. And he KO'd Curtis' leg. Did he hit him first and then Kane's leg went, or did Kane's leg go and then get hit? I think he hit him with an uppercut. Kane had some knee problems for quite a while. Yeah. You know what I mean? Kane's body kind of like was not strong enough for his mind. Well, wasn't his spine in a cage? Wasn't his spine in a cage? I think they had to do some crazy surgery on him. [2:35:35] I know. He had a butt, yeah. He's in prison. They posted a picture of him. He has a gray beard. He looks... No one's working with him. How long is he in prison for? He's supposed to get on... I want to say January... [2:35:44] Hmm. [2:35:45] It's crazy that they made him go to jail at all, and more than he already went. Yeah. It's just because he was... I mean, he shot the wrong guy, right? No. He shot the stepdad, who's also a creep, but he was firing the gun into the public places, like on the highway. So he was going into houses and shit. Can't have that. So that's where they got him. Can't have that. Yeah, that's a bad idea. You don't want to encourage that. Also, if I'm Kane, I have the skill set, fuck a gun, dude. Don't you want to hurt this dude with your bare hands? I think he wanted to kill him. Yeah, do it with your hands. I mean, Ellie's playing it a little better. Yeah. [2:36:15] He may have gotten off. I think it was Rage. I think he found out and he just went, I'm going to go kill this guy. [2:36:20] Yeah, for sure. How could you not have that kind of advantage? I 100% understand.

[2:36:25] He then killed the guy and now he's in jail. Yeah, I know. That's true. [2:36:30] And the guy got out before Kane did. The guy was out in the street before Kane was. Like, if you're going to kill the guy, fucking... [2:36:35] Put him in the same cell block as Cain. [2:36:39] Here's your new roommate. Enjoy this. A guy like that has to be in protective custody, right? They'd have to hide him. Yeah. You touch kids? Yeah. Yeah, you touch kids. Yeah, the minute that happens. [2:36:48] They want to get you. But even when he gets out, he's out now. He has to go into hiding. The streets will get him. Especially with Kane, the way he's connected. Good luck, bud. Enjoy the rest of your life, you fucking creep. Yeah, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible story. [2:37:02] I don't think you should ever get out, but... [2:37:04] So Kane, back to his physical issues, like he had like shoulder problems, knee problems, back problems, neck problems. [2:37:13] And it was just like, that guy trained so hard. All those boys did. DC, Khabib, Rockhold. Rockhold. Josh Thompson. Their team was a big hit. They used to go full, too. They were so good, too. It was such a lion's den. Yeah. You know, such a... A young Makachev was there. Like, they're monsters, man. Yeah. [2:37:30] Yeah, and if you just think about, like, Kane in his prime, though, like when he beat Nog. Best heavyweight ever, I think. One of them. The real travesty is that we never got to see Kane versus Fedor. [2:37:40] and their pride. [2:37:41] That was the real traps, D. [2:37:43] That would have been the fight. You know, that is, you know, that's like the fight. That's the one where you go, yeah, if there was one fight I could have made, yeah, that would have been it. [2:37:53] Cain in his prime versus Fedor in his prime. Because their primes overlap, too.

[2:37:57] Hmm. [2:37:58] Thank you. [2:38:00] Well, Fedor is kind of towards the end, though, but he's still good. He was still pretty fucking good when Kane was coming up and Kane became the champ. [2:38:07] Fedor was still Fedor. How would Fedor do now, you think? But he's, you know... Oh, if he was young Fedor... Young Fedor's going to fuck people up in any generation. You look at the heavyweight division, like you have Aspinall, there's a far drop-off. Like the heavyweight's never been missed. However, we don't even know how good Aspinall is. Like every fight he's had... And the poor guy, he just became champion at the wrong time. There's just nothing for him to prove himself. He's also so much bigger. Like, a guy like Aspinall is... [2:38:32] His frame is so much bigger than Fedor's, I think, right? He's a lot bigger. He's a lot bigger. He's five big guys. Yeah. [2:38:37] He's a big boy. He's a lot bigger. 265 or something? He's a lot bigger, but Fedor was a special fighter. He was special, too. You need to watch his defense when he fought Krokop. You ever see the Krokop? They're both in the prime. Krokop was throwing those power high kicks, and he would lift his knee all the way up here and catch it. He was catching a lot of the body kicks on his knee. His defense in that fight was amazing. [2:39:01] Thank you. [2:39:01] Somebody made a compilation of Fedor's defense in that fight. When Krokop hits him with a body kick, he takes out his supporting leg. [2:39:10] He was so good, and he could submit guys like that, too. He'd catch arm bars out of nowhere. He had a fully multifaceted game. So insane. [2:39:18] Probably the best guy in the heavyweight division ever that could do that, that can transition from a knockout blow to a triangle choke or an arm bar, just like that. Like when he catches arm bars, he would catch them. Boom. Boom. They were so fast. So fast.

[2:39:37] He was probably the best heavyweight ever of that, don't you think? [2:39:40] The guy who can do both of those things with lightning speed? Mm-hmm. [2:39:45] He was so good, dude. [2:39:46] Those Noguera fights? Oh, my God. That was when Noguera was in his prime, son. Noguera was in his prime, and Fedor just could not be denied. His ground and pound was fucking terrifying. The best. [2:39:57] Yeah, the best. He was so good. Remember he fought Orlovsky, who was training with Freddie Roach. An affliction. His boxing was great. [2:40:05] And then Fedor just caught him, man. No, Arlovsky was winning that fight. I know. But he tried to fight. I know, I know. And he was like, boom. Fucking God. Bro, he caught him in the air with a picture-perfect right hand. And he'd walk out like he'd just finished playing cards, Fedor. He wasn't even warmed up. He'd just walk out like, I just finished playing cards. I'm going to... [2:40:21] I'm going to beat this guy. Even in mid-battle, dude, his expression would never change. Never change. You've seen that? They're doing slow motion when Kevin Randleman's throwing him on his head. Mm-hmm. Like, dead eye. Yep. Just relaxed mid-air. [2:40:33] Been here before. [2:40:35] Never freaked out. And then within a minute, he can order. And then isn't it weird? His brother just wasn't as good. [2:40:40] No, his brother was a wild man, though. Better at killing people, but... Yeah, his brother... His brother had better tattoos. His brother was connected. His brother had a tattoo of the Grim Reaper holding a baby. Yeah, yo, have you ever seen that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, bro. That guy's in some dark... He's scary. ...shit. Yeah, there was a lot of dark tattoos that dude had. Yeah, he was scary. Yeah, he was a suspect. [2:41:01] Remember when he fought James Thompson? James Thompson came out. James Thompson was an animal. He came out fucking raw. And Emilio Necco just picked him apart. There was another big Brazilian cat, too. Remember that other dude that he flatlined in a similar way? Big Brazilian guy who was a heavyweight. Do you remember that? I don't know his name, but yeah. He flatlined that guy, too. Watching what it takes to get... What he does now?

[2:41:24] I think he was in legal trouble. Who is this? Alexander Emiliano. Fedor's brother apparently is a wild fella. He's in trouble. He's a wild fella. He served some time. I think Fedor is super close to... [2:41:37] Putin? Oh, yeah. So he probably calls him and is like, hey, my brother fucked up again. Is there any way? Maybe. I don't know. Because that texting guy was mad at him once. [2:41:47] Karjov. Yeah, Karjov. He was mad because Fedor criticized them having young kids fight each other. Oh, interesting. Did you see Hamza when he got his belt and flew back to Chechnya? Yeah. And he gave that war load the belt. [2:42:03] And he was wearing it. Like, he was like, thanks, dude. And he kept it. Yeah. Yeah, that guy's been sanctioned by, like, more countries than any other ruler. Like, he's not... He's not a wild guy to be friends with. Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine. Like, the biggest mafia lords. Did you ever see him in Homsot Roll? Yeah. [2:42:18] No. Oh, yes, I have. Yeah, I did. I did. I did. Bro, how about Hamzat and Saruki and Roland? [2:42:23] Yeah. Surukyan. It's a real deal. Very. Surukyan. Very good. That's the guy that Depore is going to have all the problems with. All the problems. Yeah. It's his toughest fight. That's his toughest fight. Well, Surukyan will still be favored, though. Really, really good. You think he's going to be favored? No, I know he is. Yeah. Yeah. [2:42:39] Toporia will be. Yes. He's got two erasers. Yeah. He's got two erasers. And he grew up wrestling. Yeah. And Sarugian can also strike, though, in his wrestling. Oh, not like Toporia. His striking is pretty good. His striking is good. He's very good. Nobody on this planet would say it's as good as Toporia is. I think we can give him these problems. Yeah. Would you put your money on Toporia, though, in that fight?

[2:43:01] I wouldn't put money on that fight. I'd say what Taporia has. Listen, Tsurukin knocks people out. He's a very good striker. But what Taporia has is that weird power. The same thing we were talking about Pereira. He's got that weird power. He does get hit, though. He does get hit, but he wants to get hit. He wants to throw himself in there so he can get those counters off. Because he knows when his land. It's over. So in that sense, you haven't seen those kind of fights. He stopped three legends in a row. Legends. Legends. In a row. Shut him off. [2:43:31] been knocked out it's one of the greatest three fight wins this is good striking i think surukin i would i would probably say for surukin's wrestling will get the job done we're not talking about and it might be a boring fight we're not talking about wrestling dude to go from striking to go from knocking out volkanovsky to knocking out max holloway [2:43:49] To knocking out Oliveira. That is the greatest three-fight win streak in the history of sport. KOs, all flat-lined. [2:43:56] That's different. But Sarukian doesn't get hit a lot. He's a really good wrestler. His transition is... [2:44:03] Big for the weight class. Yes. Which is probably why they fucked up in the last one when he got pulled from the fight. That's right. Because he's probably cutting too much weight. But the knock on Sirica would be when he fought Charles Oliver, who Topir just starved. Yeah. Is if that was a five round fight, he probably would have lost it. [2:44:21] Interesting. Look at this. But Saruken's definitely as tough as that. Look at that. Slow-mo KO. Oh, my God. Yeah. Hit him twice. Oh, God. [2:44:28] Like, nobody's ever done that to Oliveira like that at 55.

[2:44:32] The last time he got KO'd like that was Cub Swanson probably. [2:44:35] old school. Remember that? Yeah. That's right. There was a time where Olivero was just not all in. He just wasn't fully focused. No. He had like quit in him. I thought once you show signs of quit, you're fucked. He had a daughter. He found it somewhere else. He had a daughter. He had a daughter. [2:44:51] psychological study. Yeah. Most guys at that level that quit like that [2:44:56] overtly. [2:44:57] like don't make it it never comes back and he's the one guy he turned it around and i held it against him forever till he started beating everybody i never picked him once i know a guy has quit in them i'm like i'm out i never picked him and then he kept proving me wrong yeah he's an extraordinary case very unusual case so sarukian and taboria would be the fight but the thing is like i almost think the general public doesn't know enough about sarukian that's that's true [2:45:27] a little too big fella. Why don't we give you one more contender. They did that. Put on a show. They're giving them a fight. I'm pretty sure it's Hooker. I think it's Hooker. That's a good one. [2:45:38] That's a good one. [2:45:39] That's a good one. [2:45:41] That's a good one. Hooker's a dangerous guy. Is this going to be a five-rounder? [2:45:45] I don't know. Who is Hooker? Hooker would take you into some deep water. Yeah, yeah. [2:45:49] That Hooker-Poirier fight? [2:45:51] That's an all-time classic. Crazy. That was a classic. Five-round main event. Oh, there it is. UFC Qatar. [2:45:59] Katara's bringing that loot. [2:46:01] Damn.

[2:46:02] What is Hooker ranked right now? He's in the top ten, I believe. What is Dan Hooker ranked? I'm actually kind of surprised at that five. What is Dan Hooker ranked? [2:46:11] Dan Hooker, he's another one of those dudes He's my CTV He's a dog He's a guy who'd do bare knuckle Yeah, he'd do anything Yeah, he's down for whatever [2:46:22] He got the win over Matau's Gamera. Gamera. That was a great fight. Yeah. Yeah. [2:46:27] He was scheduled to fight Justin Gaethje [2:46:29] earlier this year before withdrawing due to hand injury yeah he hurt his hand remember pulled out [2:46:34] Yeah. [2:46:35] That's right. [2:46:36] He's a dog. I watched that Strickland fight with... [2:46:40] With Imov? Yeah. Wow. [2:46:43] Rock and sock them robots. Strickland melts guys. He puts a pace on guys. I love the way he fights. Fuck. He constantly puts pressure on you, and he's constantly got you moving backwards. Hard to hit. Slips. You know, all that. What Gordon is talking about with grappling, Strickland employs a lot of that same sort of strategy with the striking. He keeps you backing up all the time. Yeah. There's a factor to it. Obviously, Pereira knocked him out. He's more susceptible. He's not in control of the situation when you have wild strikes coming your way. [2:47:13] back up, you're going to get way more tired. Nobody runs backwards. [2:47:16] He's a pressure fighter. He gets right in your throat. It's weird. He's a pressure fighter, but he doesn't have the power. He's a pressure fighter who creates volume. Look at Nick and Nate. Nick and Nate did the same thing. They're not knocking guys out left and right, but they're just constantly walking you down. And they have better cardio. The thing is, all he has to do is just keep hitting you at 50%. If he hits you a lot at 50%, and really hard to hit, man. He does that shoulder roll thing. I'm surprised he's not taking down more, but his takedown defense, he's way harder than him.

[2:47:46] If you look at most of the champions, they have one thing that they're better than almost everybody else in the world at, and they're good players. [2:47:53] sufficiently good at everything else. Strickland's not better than... [2:47:57] than anybody at anything. Like, he's not the best striker, he's not the best wrestler, but... [2:48:01] He just has pressure. There's so much can be said for just walking a guy down and putting pressure. Now, obviously, a guy like Pereira is used to it. [2:48:10] Yeah. So he countered him as he was coming in. [2:48:14] But like for most guys, he just walks them down and puts pressure. [2:48:16] Like, dude, Khabib just, like, literally walks that guy. He doesn't even shuffle. Like, look at Khabib versus Edson Barboza. Like, he knew that Edson wanted to keep him at range to kick him. So he literally just walked at him so that Edson couldn't shuffle back fast enough, and he was 100% exhausted, like, inside of a round or two. [2:48:33] yeah [2:48:34] This is... [2:48:35] Exciting. It's very exciting. I spent a lot of pressure on him involved fighting in France. [2:48:41] Plus, you know, if you put on a good performance, you can fight for the title. Yeah, you're next. Dana didn't commit because it's basically a four-man middleweight tournament. So Dana's not committing. So he's letting them put on a show. He's saying, who wants it more? Right. He's a big boy. If you do it by decision, which most of these guys aren't finishers, these two aren't. [2:48:58] Well, him knocking out Adesanya like that was crazy. I did not expect that. I thought that was going to be a close fight. He's every bit of 6'3". [2:49:06] He's a big boy. [2:49:09] Did I watch The Contender for the first time? [2:49:11] I never watched that. It's the best fight show on TV. It's so great. You've never seen it before? I never have. It trumps Ultimate Fighter. It's even close. Did you see it? My boy...

[2:49:19] Jean-Paul LeBosignani got in there, and his dad had been training him forever. I know. His dad had been training him since he was seven years. [2:49:26] There's a video of him doing it. [2:49:28] And just to watch that kid. He wanted to do everything else. His dad goes, no, you're going to wrestle and you're going to fight. And he made it to the UFC. Fucking jujitsu is sick. [2:49:38] We'll see. [2:49:40] Thank you. [2:49:42] Well, this guy's coming into his own. It's like I think the Strickland fight taught him a lesson. It takes so long, right? He just puts so much pressure on him. He's got a weird style, too, where he throws that teep from the front foot. Strickland is constantly teeping you and constantly got you moving. And he moves back really well when punches are thrown on him. And he's got his hands like this. I want to see Homsak Strickland. [2:50:04] I'd love to see that fight. What age do you think fighters peak typically? That's the fight, right? [2:50:08] like it depends what weight class yeah yeah well so so wild when they're like really lightweight and they're still in it like volkanovsky yeah like out usually after 30 at the lighter weights what is this is a disaster that's it the bosnia on you write this so watch this you see one by knockout yeah he won by knockout check this out jimmy i'm gonna send you a video right now yeah this kid is special he threw that kick off of the punch the kick and punch at the same time watch this jimmy i'm gonna send you something [2:50:35] See how he did that? Came over the top? No, he throws the jab and, yeah, he threw it over the top, but he did the jab and the kick at the same time.

[2:50:46] Style Bender does that a lot. That's such a slick move. There's a video of him practicing that move with his dad at seven years old. That's nice. Watch this. [2:50:55] Boom! Oh my goodness. That's nice. [2:50:58] Yeah, that contender series is awesome. It's very good. It's brilliant. And look how many guys have come out of that. [2:51:03] And they're now fighting in the UFC. [2:51:06] So many. [2:51:08] Dude, how about that UFC Paramount deal? Yeah, it's crazy. Great. [2:51:12] It's a lot of money. [2:51:14] What is it, like $7 billion for seven years? [2:51:17] No, because it's basically... [2:51:21] Is it $7 billion? [2:51:22] Last Jamie. What are you doing, Brian? [2:51:26] You're in the middle of the corner. You know you don't have to walk over to text him. Yeah, don't you know his number? Airdrop him or some shit. So you see this move? Watch this. Watch when he's a kid. Look at this. He's with his dad. [2:51:35] Look at this. [2:51:36] Oh, that's crazy. Now watch this. Ready? He's doing his... [2:51:39] This is when he's in first grade. Now, boom! Oh, that's crazy. How cool is that? [2:51:44] Well, those guys that do have that traditional karate background, the thing about karate in particular is that you're not really getting hurt and you're throwing a lot of kicks and you learn leg dexterity. And it's like – especially like Taekwondo, you learn leg dexterity that regular people don't have. It's like just how you're talking about like there's a level of cardio that you would need to run a marathon and then you think, well, that's about as good as anybody could ever get. And then there's guys that come along 100 miles. [2:52:14] with what you're seeing with MMA, with cardio and MMA. But it's also that with everything. It's that with grappling, with striking, with kicking, with everything. We're used to a certain level of it, but if there's...

[2:52:26] If elite Taekwondo guys really figured out Muay Thai and then wrestling and grappling, you're in trouble. These guys, they can throw wild wheel kicks at you and spinning sidekicks to the body. And it's their thing. The timing. Yes, because they've gotten way past the level that everybody else is at. That's right. Yeah, I think he rolled with you, didn't he? He was like 17, though. [2:52:52] You probably don't remember, but he was... [2:52:55] Very complimentary, obviously. His jiu-jitsu. Eddie Bravo. That kid's jiu-jitsu is so crazy, though. [2:53:03] And now he's in the UFC. We have Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt right there. [2:53:08] Damn. Donated to the studio. [2:53:10] Look at that, son. [2:53:12] I guess I have so many now, I just give men as gifts. [2:53:18] Is someone out there, some doctor, fix his tummy, please? [2:53:21] fuck. You have a [2:53:23] You have one and then... [2:53:25] I'm waiting to have – I'm waiting – like I'm going to give Trump one. Oh, wow. For the White House. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Joe, how many people are – I love that it's gold. I love that it's gold. How many people are hitting you up for those White House tickets? Oh, quite a few. [2:53:38] Hey, how about your boys over here? You probably won't pass any kind of tests that you need to get in there. No, we've been to the White House. Chop and I have been to the White House. [2:53:46] Who invited you to the White House? Some guy who is a... [2:53:50] Back in the day, he was a fan, but he was a Secret Service guy. Oh, wow. Got us in there. I was all up in there. Yeah, yeah. All the rooms. When Obama was president. Weird. When Obama was president? Yeah, it was that long ago. That's wild. That was when Bush was president. Dude, no. No.

[2:54:03] That's wild. [2:54:06] What is all this talk about them arresting Obama? What is all this? Silly. Is it real? No, it's not. No, it's bullshit. Are they really going to start doing that, going arresting former presidents? That's a bad idea. By the way, you have to arrest every one of them that's alive. Yeah. That warfare, that legal warfare. Look at the size of Barthol. He's 6'4". It's going to be a good fight, son. He's a big boy. Again, these guys are both 185. Okay, this is crazy. They're not 185. No. These are 200 plus pound guys. [2:54:36] - Burhalo? [2:54:37] Poor Jalio. Yeah, it looks like him. He looks like a 200-pound guy. Jalio is also 32. [2:54:42] Is he 32? Yeah. Is that true? You think it was like a young kid. Wow, Imavov is 20-something, 27? 28, I think. 29, maybe? This is a good fight. This is a good fight. [2:54:51] Very good fight. [2:54:54] Man, Pajar Leo is really, really explosive. Look at him. [2:54:59] Probably the better athlete. I wonder how much it fucks with them watching Rufy get tapped right before. That's what I was just thinking. It can be good. Your first loss with the nerds. I know, and he's a good friend of yours. Yes. Training partner. And you all went through training camp for this night. A little bit. And he gets... [2:55:14] Mud Stomped? Right. [2:55:16] And maybe you know how you go with him. Mud stomped? Well, you just get your shit pushed in, and you're like... [2:55:22] Oh, we just did an entire camp not to get taken down. And then that guy, we didn't last a chance. There's definitely some doubt in that. You're like, oh, shit, our camp's not the best?

[2:55:37] What was Imabov's kickboxing background before he became an MMA fighter? He has a background in striking, right? Am I wrong? No, he has a background in striking. Because it certainly looks like it. When I'm looking at the weight, I mean, everything looks real. Like that stutter step that he did before he delivered that right hand, that's really high level, man. [2:56:01] And look at how he throws that front teep to the body. He's fucking good, man. And remember Strickland beat him. I think Strickland took it on short notice. Bro, Strickland puts that pressure on you. I'm telling you. And it's a different style. It's a weird... [2:56:14] Fucking style. Remember that fight? Strickland kind of broke him. Yeah, he kind of broke him. I think he just overwhelmed his cardio to the point where he became defensive. That's what I would say. [2:56:24] because Strickland just keeps that pressure look who he did to Izzy, same shit [2:56:28] He keeps that pressure on you. [2:56:30] See, that'd be a good fight for Izzy. Oh, yeah. I think Izzy wants that fight. I think they're actually talking about that fight. [2:56:36] Strickland's... [2:56:38] suspensions up in November or something like that? Anger management? From jumping in the ring and punching some anger management. I don't know if it's true, but I saw a thing on the internet that could be fake, but it also could very well be real that he... [2:56:51] get kicked out of anger management [2:56:53] because he kept threatening to fight the teacher. I think that was just a meme. Barhalio almost got the trip. Yeah, almost got that trip. [2:57:01] But Imovov is no joke, man. No joke grappling, too. Good defense. But standing up, he seems to have an advantage. And he's doing a really good job of keeping him on the fence.

[2:57:09] Yeah, Musashi a little bit. [2:57:12] Yeah, a little bit, right? Yeah. That was a guy that didn't get his flowers. I love Musasi. Killer. That was a guy who did not get his flowers. Fucking killer. Degar Musasi was a fucking animal. You know who he used to train with? [2:57:21] Fedor. Oh, really? Yep. That makes sense. Remember Musasie, we started the big dick energy rumor about him? Yes. His manager told me, yeah, he loved it. Of course he loved it. We're saying he probably has a big dick, and he probably does. I'm sure he doesn't wear a hat like that and not have a giant dick. So smart, man. Very well read. Yeah, and very high fight IQ, too. Just intelligent, his approach to fighting, but ferocious. But then he went to Bellator or PFL. They put him on the shelf forever, dude. He was going to sue him to get out. [2:57:51] But he's too old now. Like, how old is he now? It's fucked up. He wastes, like, three years in there. Yeah. How old is Gegard Mousasi now, Jamie? 54? [2:57:58] Thomas. [2:58:02] Amen. [2:58:02] Then when he knocked out Weidman? [2:58:04] Fuck yeah. Remember when knocked out Jacare Sousa with an up kick? Sousa then got that. He's 40-year-old. [2:58:10] What's that? It's 40. It's 40. Yeah, see? It's over. It's over. [2:58:14] I mean, if you're clean. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Nice shot. You can fight in other organizations. Keep the... Facts. Train kept a rolling. 42, I feel fantastic. Train kept a rolling. Remember when Susan put him in that guillotine? Just like, Jacare just caught him and it was like... [2:58:29] crazy. Well, you know, Jock Ray is Jock Ray. Yeah. [2:58:33] Yeah, he's a beast. [2:58:34] Okay. [2:58:37] I can't believe. Did you see Strickland's tweet about Rampage's son?

[2:58:41] He's like, we're both head to anger management, just one of us is going to have a felony on their record. Or one of us is going to be able to own a gun, of course. That's right. [2:58:50] It's a good fight, man. Yeah, Bahaglio's closing the distance now. Yeah. It's just interesting. So there's a thing about him breaking when he fought. [2:58:58] Strickland, if you think he broke. He melted, yeah. But did he just run out of cardio, or did he lose his enthusiasm? He was giving as good as he was getting, though. They were socking it out to the last minute. But he broke them. [2:59:11] You broke them. [2:59:11] Yeah. [2:59:12] I mean, he certainly overwhelmed them. He certainly overwhelmed them. [2:59:16] But... [2:59:17] But you can tell just the guys... [2:59:19] from his face when he wants out. It's also an intelligent thing. It's an intelligence thing. If you know that you don't have enough left, like here's an example. Last round of Strickland versus Adesanya. Strickland's like, fuck it, come on. Come on, he's coming towards him. [2:59:33] What is he going to do? Yeah, all right, let's do it. Knock me out. Like, fuck that. You're exhausted. You get dropped in the first round. You're losing the fight. You know you're losing the fight. Stay defensive. Just get out of there. [2:59:45] You could say, oh, he broke him. But isn't that just a smart move if you don't have anything left? Yeah. [2:59:49] If you can't do it, like, you know you're too fucking tired to fight the guy off. Are you supposed to... What are you supposed to do? Throw yourself into the fire? I mean... [2:59:57] You could try that. That doesn't usually work. [3:00:00] How many guys point to the ground now? But the thing is, like, you want a guy who just wants to fight to the end, too. So it's like... It's more entertaining. I know. It's like, what do you favor? Do you favor intelligence and tactics and live to fight another day? Do you look at it in terms of an entire career? Like, if you just decide to throw down right there, and you're exhausted, and you know you're exhausted, and you only got a couple of seconds of haymakers in you, and then you get KO'd and flatlined, and you're at the jaw, you get your jaw wired shut at the hospital.

[3:00:30] I love seeing fighters that don't get hit. Like that skill, the ability to take less damage to me is what now, as somebody who's such a fan of fighting, that's what I love. Right. But then you have Max Holloway, last round. And you have Max Holloway. Yes, sir. Winning the fight. Yes, sir. Point at the ground. Yes, sir. And the universe rewards him. Just engaging. It's true. With a highlight reel KO of just striking. Gage. This is true. Great. Strikers will... [3:00:53] or [3:00:54] In general, be bigger stars. [3:00:56] than grapplers. Always. But grapplers will, in general, be more successful. Yeah, they'll have a higher winning percentage, for sure. But the stars are always strikers. Always, always, always. Look at Conor. Look at Izzy. Always. Biggest stars in the world. Anderson. Yep. Always. Yeah, they put on that. Well, the casuals, that's what they know. Like, oh, he punches him. [3:01:15] Oh, [3:01:16] I mean, I don't care who you are. Good kick to the body. [3:01:18] It's such a everybody's so talented now. It's just crazy. I know. It's really interesting, man. Monsters. You know, it's that way with everything. It's that way with everything. Because they're watching each other. You know my son at nine years old. Oh, oh. You watch these baseball players. You're like, these kids are fucking nine. This is how good everybody is now? Yeah. Because they specialize in shit. It's like singers. They specialize in it. Also, they get to see what it looks like on YouTube. [3:01:44] I think that's a big thing. I agree. I think everybody watching everybody is making everybody else way better. 100%. Because you're aware of it. There's a lot more shared knowledge now. Yes. Way more. Because when we were coming up, it was like, whatever, the best kid in the neighborhood, if I was the best kid, it's like, oh, man, this is so good. But I didn't see the kid in fucking Cuba playing. Exactly. And now the kids are privy to it. They're like, oh, shit. Well, you've got people like Gordon Ryan breaking down jiu-jitsu. Like, that didn't ever be the case. There's this kid in jiu-jitsu. His name is...

[3:02:09] The thing is Daniel220Volt, I think it is, on Instagram. [3:02:13] Dude, he's like fucking eight years old. He's like shredded with an A-pack. And he's doing like flying arm bars and shit on kids. It's fucking insane. That's so crazy. He's got like 600,000 followers. He's like nine years old. That is so insane. And he just goes in and just crushes people. But to that point, the kids are pushing themselves so much now and specializing in each sport. And they're getting fucking good. [3:02:33] But... [3:02:34] like [3:02:35] Tommy John surgery is up 80% with kids under 13 years old. Oh, they're doing it on purpose? Just to give them an advantage? Some of them, because they're throwing so hard now. [3:02:45] Who's this? Oh my God. [3:02:48] There's one... Try to find the one where he's doing a flying arm bar. It's pretty recent. Oh. It's up at the top. Look how jacked he is in that one. There's one... [3:02:56] Look at this. [3:02:58] Oh, my God. We're missing out on a good fight, boys. What are you talking about? [3:03:03] Sorry, this is supposed to be a fight. The kid was not entertaining. [3:03:06] Or Hollywood just landed a right hand. We touched on a lot of subjects. Yeah. The thing about a guy like Imamov that I was going to get at with the cardio is, much like Connor... [3:03:16] like these guys that are real fast and explosive, that is like sprinting a lot. That was a nice right to the box. You can't do both. You're not going to find a guy with crazy knockout power and great core language. [3:03:27] So the difference between him and Marab is Marab just kind of mauls you. Yeah, he's moving fast and powerful, but once he gets a shot or two off, he's shooting. Shoot every time, no matter what. Yeah, and that pressure is going to make his strikes even more effective because you never know when the strikes are coming. You know, boxers used to do this thing, they still do, where they run for like an hour and a half, and you keep your heart weight at a certain level, not super high, and that's how you build new capillaries and stuff. Lance Armstrong would do that too. Yeah, what do they call it, zone two training?

[3:03:57] UFC fighters do it for the longest. But boxers would do it for literally run an hour and a half and stuff. Yeah, UFC guys do that. Really? Yeah. [3:04:04] I think all elite athletes in all sports are doing stuff like that. Yeah, all the secrets are out now. There's no – yeah, now all the secrets. Now it's a – you get to this level of talent. Like the technical – when you look at how technical everybody is now, like this fight right now, this is an awesome fight. If these guys were just kickboxers, this would be an awesome – this is like a high-level fight. Yeah. [3:04:25] And their cardio is great. Like, look at this. [3:04:29] They're both... Well, still early. It's the second round. Yeah. Yeah. [3:04:33] There's not a lot of wrestling. Very smart Chael Sutton quote. He was saying that no one can fight full blast for 25 minutes. It's just too long. Fights are too long. The robb eggs that differ. Yeah, that's what I was going to get to. I was like, okay, but isn't that like no one can. If you run a marathon, you will die. [3:04:48] I'll tell you right now, you want to own 26 miles, your kidneys will dysfunction. That's right. You will bleed out of your pancreas, and you will die. There's people that will tell you that, right? [3:04:57] Cam Haynes ran 220 miles or something like that? More. [3:05:01] Yeah, he's run more. I think the Bigfoot 240 is 238. I hung with him and Eugene won my favorite people. Oh, right hand back. Oh, they both landed good shots there. Oh, Imavov. Dude, this is good. How do you score this fight? I ain't fucking know. We barely pay attention. We were watching little kids strangle each other. We were watching little kids do arm bars. I think we should go back to vaccines. [3:05:23] That's what you said. Let's get back to that. I knew we were going to touch on it. When I was a kid, you know, when...

[3:05:32] Like martial arts was on television. It was on TV like maybe like PKA karate would be on TV. You remember those days like on ESPN? Like maybe like once a month on a Saturday you'd watch... [3:05:46] Two dudes in karate pants throw bad kicks at each other. Yep, yep. [3:05:51] Imagine kids growing up and seeing this now. I know. From the time they were like babies. They're seeing elite level MMA. Yeah. [3:05:59] Elite-level grappling, striking. [3:06:02] And then if they become fans and they get crazy, then they get fight pass. They start watching UFC, Brazilian jiu-jitsu matches. You know what the big difference now is? There's the UFC video game. So I learned sports through video games. Me and my brother play Madden or Tecmo Ball. So I knew everything about football, the rules, everything, all the players. But now they have the UFC game. So my kids know who Hamzat is, not when he fights, through the video games. [3:06:26] So when they see him, they're like, oh, there's Hamzai, because they pick him all the time in the game. That's great. And they know to use his wrestling. [3:06:31] That's crazy. Through the video game. Wow. But that makes sense. Yeah. [3:06:35] I played like, I don't know, 10 years ago, I played like the first UFC video game, and I would just get so fucking mad. Because I couldn't do the moves on the ground that I know how to do. I'm like, fuck him, what's the board of the buttons? [3:06:46] That was a nice right hand. Yeah, it was. Look at that. Boom. That was a good right hand back by behind you. Yeah, yeah. [3:06:54] It was a good fight. Yeah, it is. [3:06:56] That place is bad. They've never figured out a way. There's probably not a way until they get like real something that can like really change your actual experience like what you're seeing where they could make a virtual reality game with grappling.

[3:07:11] But you can with striking, at least with boxing. Boxing, yeah. It's good workout. They have those. It's fucking good, dude. It's good. I'm dripping as well when I do it. And it's competitive. Like, this thing's coming at you, throwing punches at you. You'd like it, Brian. You look ridiculous, but yeah. You look ridiculous. No, I've done it. It's great. Yeah, but you hold your gloves the wrong way, unfortunately. Because if you punch normal like this. It doesn't track it. The gloves are like upside down. But it's a workout. It's a real workout. Oh, he hurt him. Oh, he hurt him. He hurt him. Yeah. Snapped his head back. Oh, now you see him blood. [3:07:43] Body shot nice. Bro, Imavov looks good. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. Pohaglio looks like he's recovered, though. [3:07:51] He's... [3:07:53] But he's getting... He's getting... Sturdy. He's getting touched. [3:07:55] He's getting in touch. And I just don't think either of these guys beat Hamza. [3:07:59] man I gotta deal with that whole wrestling thing good luck with that [3:08:05] Good luck to everybody. [3:08:08] That's a really hard puzzle to solve. I think for a guy like Imavov, too, what we're seeing is this version of him that learned a lot from the Strickland fight. [3:08:18] Let me see your guy like that. [3:08:20] We got a need in the balls. Did he? [3:08:22] Yeah. [3:08:23] I think a guy like that goes through a loss like that and is like, okay. [3:08:26] I got to up my cardio. I got to up my pace. I got to not let people push me around. I got to learn from that. I didn't expect that. Because if you see Strick on the outside, you don't know. And I think that's where fighters make their biggest growth. Either they make so much growth and get so much better and become contenders, or they go the fucking opposite way. That's what I'm hoping happens with Bo Nickel. Mm-hmm.

[3:08:46] If I have to watch him fucking strike again, I'm going to freak the fuck out. Dude, use your goddamn grappling, man. Get with someone to help you with your grappling. They put him in there fast, too. Like, super fast. Like, RDR. It's the UFC, baby. But that's the thing. Like, Ed Swartz says it. [3:09:03] If you go to the UFC, be ready to fight anybody they offer you. Don't say no to anybody. Otherwise, don't come. But is that smart if you're developing a fighter? It makes no sense. It's not really smart. But the thing is some guys can pull it off like John. So John did it. [3:09:18] I remember John against Gustafsson. Bonner? No, Goosemow. One of his first fights. [3:09:25] And I remember thinking, like, where is this guy coming from? Like, this is crazy. This guy is so good. Well, you saw him against Jake O'Brien. [3:09:32] Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Boom. Yeah. [3:09:36] Oh, bro, he was something special. Fucked him up. So that guy got thrown right into the fire. [3:09:40] 22 years old fight Shogun. [3:09:42] In New Jersey, wins the title. It's crazy. But you're in the big leagues. But he's a freak. [3:09:48] Most guys, if you were raising them and training them, if you were raising them through their career, you'd be like – [3:09:54] We need to test you. Like boxing does. Yeah, we need to test you against a real solid grappler. They've done that with Patty Pimlet now. They've done well with him. They do well with Sugar Sean O'Malley. Because I think the UFC's learned, like with Darren Tilt, such a talent. Look at what he's doing now. They pushed him way too fast. Way too fucking fast. [3:10:12] And it fucks these guys up. Bro, Till can fucking strike. He can crack, man. He's made a career for himself. He can strike. Yeah. And that knockout of Luke Rockhold was crazy. That was bad. That was crazy. That was crazy.

[3:10:25] I think the UFC did learn, but the UFC can only do so much. They can only do so much, and Sugar Sean, they go, all right, here's Peter Young. I think Darren had meat problems, too. I think that's part of the thing. He asked for his release so he could get on that acai and get his injuries and heal up. [3:10:41] Ah, that makes sense. Because he's like, I can't do this. You guys are testing me all the time. Release me. They didn't cut him. He asked for his release. Most people think he was cut. He asked for his release. Oh. [3:10:49] Ah, that makes sense. [3:10:51] And I just starching dudes outside the UFC. Bro, he looks so good against Rockholds. I'm like, this guy might have a career as a legitimate boxer. Because he started off as a Muay Thai guy. He actually had some boxing bouts, too. Yeah, he's good, man. He's fucking good. And he's bouch next? [3:11:06] Yeah, Carl Frosch. But Carl Frosch is 150 years old. You guys are missing out. These guys are in each other's grill right now. I know. We are missing out. They're at mid-distance here just banging it out. [3:11:15] Great defense. [3:11:19] The defense is outstanding, man. This is great. I just think Hamzat eats these guys much like Kobayashi. He takes them down. If you're that close to him. He finishes both of them. [3:11:29] It just is what it is. [3:11:31] You think so? [3:11:32] That's it. [3:11:33] I [3:11:35] Oh, he looks good. But it's the difference in his feints as he's moving in. Everything's very precise. Very much. Very much. [3:11:42] He does. I like that. That's nice. [3:11:45] Oh, I poke. You like his footwork, right, Joe? Yeah. [3:11:50] He's got this stutter step that he does when he's coming in, where you think he's coming in, then you relax a second. He lulls you to sleep a little bit. Yeah, it's high level.

[3:12:01] This kid is a stud. Ah, that sucks. See, this is where you're like, let that time run, baby. [3:12:07] Let's get this lung capacity back. [3:12:10] Let's slow this heart rate down. [3:12:12] Let them boo. [3:12:13] That's fine. Right? If you're in his corner. Yep. Hell yeah, let him boo. Let him boo. Let him boo. [3:12:19] No one ever takes a full five, ever. It's never been done. [3:12:22] Really? It's never been done. That's crazy. No one's taking the full five. Wow. It's a lot of pressure. Yeah. [3:12:27] Dude, five minutes is a long time when you're in there. I never fucking think of it. Plus the crowd. I've been kicked in the nuts by Gonzaga, poked in the eye by Crocob. That's fine. And you think you want the five minutes, and the crowd's like, fuck you. You're like, okay, I'm good. Not fine. I'm good. And you're not. Oh, God. Oh, God. [3:12:46] God, these guys are evenly matched. That was a pretty deep shot. Yeah, it was. They're so matched. He got in well, but he didn't fully commit to it. And we are only in round three of a five-round fight. [3:12:56] He doesn't want his gas. [3:12:57] Thank you. [3:13:03] I really don't know how. [3:13:04] Score this point. Because we haven't barely been paying attention. No, I've been watching. From the small fraction I've seen, Imova's up two rounds. Really? Yeah. [3:13:13] Yeah, I thought he definitely won that last round. Yes. [3:13:17] He's landing the more effective strikes. But again, you ain't getting a title shot against Hamzat fighting like this. It's just not the way UFC works. Well, it depends on how it ends. [3:13:25] Yeah, correct. Who's RDR fighting again? [3:13:28] Fluffy Hernandez. Ooh. Oh, oh, there you go. He's touching. And this is where, again, who knows, Joe? You know, you're the expert. But when you said RDR is the best matchup for Hamzat, I think it's his easiest.

[3:13:41] Really? Yeah. Wow. I think he knocked him out cold. Oh, standing. Yeah. I don't think he bothered. Who's that? Yeah. Hamzat not stand up. That's a good point. He's been knocked out before. He got dropped by Whitaker. And the difference between his stand up versus Hamzat's stand up is pretty significant. Also, the... [3:13:57] the fact that [3:13:59] RDR will be concerned about the takedown means that he's going to be timid to really open up [3:14:04] standing [3:14:05] Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you watch what Hamzat does to those guys, like those – The second he does start to get comfortable standing is when Hamzat put him down. That Mershaw fight? He went whoop. [3:14:17] Bam! Yeah, when he knows he's got an advantage, he can strike. It's clean, fast. And he loves to strike. Even against DDP, he's like, let me fucking light this guy up. [3:14:26] You know? Shrookin's like, no, no, no. Just keep doing what you're doing, dude. Let's get the check and get the fuck out of here. And he's getting all this criticism from the fan base. You're a boring, boring champion. He's like, uh-oh. [3:14:35] I'm boring? [3:14:37] Homsock? Okay, okay, watch this. [3:14:40] Mm. [3:14:40] Then RDRs are like, yeah, let's do it. A lot of pressure on him to stay winning, though, too. [3:14:45] He has the pedigree to do it. Yeah, he does. [3:14:48] I mean, once you're a champion, that's the most important thing. Yes. Just keep winning. Now you're making real money. And I'm curious what the UFC is going to do with the payout because – [3:14:55] his pay-per-view points before and now that's gone yeah you know right do you think they do it based on how many people watch that would be that's weird right but that's the best way to do [3:15:04] Right? So it's like ratings on a TV show. If you've got friends ratings, you get a lot of money. You get a percentage of the ad revenue? I don't know how you would do it. It's way above my pay grade. I don't know how you would do it, but I would imagine something like that would be reasonable. Right.

[3:15:19] The idea is that if more money is being acquired by the company, if they're making more money now, it would be – [3:15:27] Great. If the fighters get paid more money, that just makes sense. And I think the UFC is going to do that. They're going to do it. Even if the UFC doubled everybody's pay, they're still only putting out 50% of overall pay. [3:15:39] So for the UFC, it's a win-win. [3:15:40] Baral is winning this. Baral is more busy with this man. He's way more busy. He looks good in this round. Yeah. And the last one. This is the thing. It's like these rounds, this is only... [3:15:49] a minute in, [3:15:50] And this is the fourth. Yeah. So he's got a lot of fighting left to go. And Baral has been busy. But, Joe, you'll hear guys argue fight or pay, and they compare it to the NFL and NBA. And they go, it should be 50-50. And I don't agree with that. [3:16:04] Because any league that's ever done above what the UFC's done, they're all out of business. There's only one promotion ever in the history of fighting that makes a profit to the UFC. And it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's different. [3:16:18] So it's hard to argue that they should do it any different. Again, even if they doubled everybody's pay, it's only 15% of the profits. [3:16:24] They can do it. It's nothing. [3:16:28] And you can always fight somewhere else. [3:16:31] That's a tricky one. You could. Yeah, you could. Yeah, that's a good argument. But then it's like, if you want to look at your overall career, like what your potential for stardom is. [3:16:41] There's no question. [3:16:43] There's elite guys that got paid really well in the PFL that nobody knows who they are. And maybe they made more money than the UFC, but they won't get the same kind of sponsors. They won't get the same. Simon Klesser, you're basically, you went from the NFL to CFL. Yeah. I mean, I see both sides, but at the end of the day, if you want to make Conor money, do Conor Schiff. Correct. That's true. Oh, oh, Bahagio just caught him with a right hook. Oh, oh, oh, oh, boy. Damn, him. Get his back, though. Oh, these dudes are throwing down. Damn. These dudes are throwing down.

[3:17:11] Excellent. [3:17:13] His defense. It's such a high level fight. Both their defenses are really good. [3:17:19] Really good. [3:17:23] They're just strictly boxing basically right now. [3:17:26] Yeah, not a whole lot of kicks, right? Too close. [3:17:29] Also, neither guy can get the other data. [3:17:31] They've tried. Yeah. [3:17:33] It's also tiring. Yeah. [3:17:35] My vault was throwing some kicks earlier. He threw a lot of front kicks to the body, too. They keep tying up like this. There's no, like, real shots, you know? [3:17:43] Right, they're just grappling against Cage. [3:17:46] giving rest. [3:17:48] Both have great cardio. [3:17:51] Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. [3:17:55] Dude. [3:17:57] Damn, that was a nice one. That was close. I have that connected. Oh, God. Somebody's going to get slapped, Matt. They're opening up now? Yeah. Oh, these boys are swinging. [3:18:06] They're very close to getting cracked. Each one of those punches is missing by an inch. [3:18:14] God. [3:18:19] This is when it's the most terrifying if a guy has a giant advantage when you're deep into the fourth and you're exhausted and he's got a giant striking advantage. He just got caught again. And maybe he tried taking him down and it didn't work out. So Imovov was born in Dagestan but then moved to France? Is that how his French citizenship happened? [3:18:38] What is mine? [3:18:40] Okay, that's a long-ass time.

[3:18:42] From when it's not... Yeah, but that's enough. [3:18:44] He got the soul of the country in his bones. He's got the culture of work ethic. [3:18:51] But it's like, what a history of combat sports, man. [3:18:55] Dagestan? Yeah, it's crazy. It's not a big place. Armenia, Azerbaijan... [3:18:59] Armenian how many Armenians have been fighters both fight wrestling and boxing wrestling, kickboxing MMA, huge part of the culture [3:19:10] Same with Azerbaijan, same with Dagestan. I still love Armenians back in L.A. [3:19:14] They were the best. They were real men. They're great. They were men. They were men. Did you ever see in this, like, probably two years ago? [3:19:21] In L.A., they tried bringing, like, the trans shit into Armenian district. Did you see what happened? Did you see all the hairy Armenians? Just a line of G-wagons show up to the school. Just cologne of G-wagons. Glendale. They don't fuck around. Enjoy that. Armenians aren't here in a pit bag. No, they rioted. Yeah. Fuck yeah. They're like, no, this ain't happening. No, not with our kids. School board went, oh, our bad. Yeah, bitch. Good luck with that. Don't fuck with the Armenians. Yeah. They're tight. They're a tight group. Tight group. Yep. [3:19:48] Had to be. [3:19:49] Yeah, he tried bringing in, like, those safe rooms in our meeting school. Oh, oh. I just caught him with a nice left hook and a right hand. God. [3:19:56] They're a couple rugged fucks. [3:19:59] Their faces look pretty clean. [3:20:02] Probably it was a little more beat up. [3:20:05] Dude. [3:20:06] Are you kidding me right now? [3:20:08] Imagine how much... [3:20:11] Imagine how much time this takes off your fighting career versus if they just grappled the whole fight. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, not just your fighting career, man. Your whole life. Yeah, your brain. Yeah. I mean, this is a car accident.

[3:20:24] Thank you. [3:20:25] Thank you. [3:20:26] Thank you. [3:20:27] When you think about the kind of pressure [3:20:30] that [3:20:32] this fight puts on your just every [3:20:35] Yeah. Everything. Your lungs, your heart, your brain, your bones, everything. [3:20:40] But you're not even considering the eight weeks in camp. Right. [3:20:44] You're going in there beat up. The fight's just more part of it. The camp fucks you up. If you have hard enough training partners, you're getting fucked up in camp. What was the worst injury you ever went into a fight with? [3:20:54] I got knocked out three days before I fought Noguera. Oh, my God. And I got knocked out four days before I fought Rothwell. Oh, my God. By who? Shane Carwin, sir. [3:21:05] Oh, my God. That is so irresponsible. Dude, I would watch him spar these giants, and they would go full, and I was just, like, so horrified. And you didn't even warm up. You guys would just start banging. I was like, are you fucking kidding? That is so ridiculous. He literally wouldn't warm up. I'm not kidding. It's so ridiculous to fight three... [3:21:23] three days after being KO'd. That's fucking a little bit. [3:21:25] We just didn't know any better. And then people are like, oh, shop doesn't have a chin. It's like, yeah, yes and no. Fuck you, yeah. [3:21:33] I had knocked out by Carwin right before this. You had your fucking nose shattered by Cro-Cop. [3:21:40] It's just such a nutty sport, man. Yeah, it is. [3:21:43] Last round. It's also the best sport. It's the best sport. Yeah. Yeah. [3:21:48] I mean, it's everything. The thing is sparring in practice. Correct. It's everything. [3:21:52] Yeah, it requires everything, that's for sure. Well, the thing is, it transcends all languages, cultures, everything. Everybody can watch this to know exactly what's happening. But also, to your point, Joe, you're watching this. You're knowing these guys are taking years off their lives. Yep. That's what you're dealing with. That's why I love when people say, horseback riding uses every muscle in your body. There's some fights, like Justin Gaethje, Tony Ferguson, that are hard to watch.

[3:22:12] It's hard to watch. It should have been stopped. [3:22:15] Yeah, well, it... [3:22:17] That's also how this game goes. That's how the game goes. He's tough. He didn't want to quit. He was trying to fight to the bitter end. [3:22:23] How about fucking Rory and Robbie Lawler? Oh, my God. That's the ultimate example. That's a great example. But that's also like that's. Like you lost five years of your life off that. Boxing, they would stop the way before. That's the name of the fucking game. Yeah. [3:22:37] But it's like when it's expressed that purely, it's like something special to watch. I mean, it's a horrifically violent fight. The two fights that – one was the Ferguson-Gaethi fight and the other was the Ortega fight. [3:22:48] Wolkanovski fight. [3:22:51] That was awful. I would have stopped that way earlier. [3:22:56] We knew who the winner was. [3:22:58] There's a few fights where you just go, oh, I wish this guy would just stop. Just the corner would say this isn't enough. That's when your corner has to throw in the towel because fighters are too tough. Or fucking Frankie and Gray Manor. Oh, my God. But he won. But imagine if he won the towel then. He won. He won the towel, then he fucking loses. Bro, in his prime, Frankie Edgar was a fucking durable dude. And the thing about him was he was a real 155er. He wasn't stock weight. An actual 155er. He actually weighed 155. He was beating these dudes who were cutting crazy weight. [3:23:28] 85-45. [3:23:29] He did eventually. He did eventually. Later, yeah. And then he fought 35. Yep. [3:23:35] He's about to fight bare knuckle, right? He's getting a million bucks, though. Is he really? Yep. [3:23:39] Whoa. [3:23:41] For real? For real? For real.

[3:23:43] Damn. [3:23:45] I get it. [3:23:45] Poked again in the eye. Look at this shit. Fuck yeah, I get it. Three two-minute rounds. Fuck yeah, I get it. You got poked in the eye again. Barhol, you got poked in the eye again. You might have to give him a point. He's fighting Jimmy Rivera, who's no punk, but... [3:23:55] A million bucks, they're going to give you a good matchup. Jamie Rivera was good when he was in the UFC. He was on my face. Solid striker. Yeah. And, like, very compact. Yeah. Dude. [3:24:05] Dude. [3:24:06] Kneading the balls, poke twice, fuck. [3:24:09] He's going to give him a point. Sometimes I think I have a problem because I watch... [3:24:12] Every fight. [3:24:14] Prelimbs up, I watch every fight. Then I'll watch BYB, Backyard Brawling. I'll watch BKFC. [3:24:20] Whatever fight, I watch all of it. So you think you have a problem because you like it? I can't get enough of it. We're all watching it right now. We're having fun. Why would that be bad? Yeah, but I'll go home and watch the prelims and shit. [3:24:32] I probably will too. Yeah. There's a few fighters on the prelims that I'd like to check out. And then I'd also like to watch some of the fights that I was talking through. Me too. Yeah, you haven't lost your enthusiasm for watching fights and... [3:24:44] Ever. Mike Perry, Jeremy Stevens. Fucking take my money. Mike's jacked. [3:24:51] That is going to be crazy. [3:24:53] - [3:24:55] It's tough to watch the chicks turn each other into a pulp. I don't like it. Especially when Paige Van Aert was fighting. I'm like, please don't. I know, right? Save your face, girl. When they're ugly, it's fucked up the same. Oh, oh, oh, oh. So Hally just cracks them up. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Bro, these guys are cracking each other. [3:25:10] Oh, boy.

[3:25:11] That's going to be the only clip. Watch your fingers, bro. He's got to watch his fucking fingers, man. So what is he doing? Is he sticking his hands forward? Yes, yes. Every time he comes through, he comes in with his fingers. That's a big fucking problem. Look at that. He's poking his hands out. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that. Oh, my God. He's totally doing it. No, it's a big problem because it fucks your rhythm up and everything else. And then you can take advantage of it. Bro, he's doing it again. I know. It's also a way to become world champion. That's John Jones. It's crazy. He keeps getting to body locks. And he locks his hands. I know. And he lets go. He must feel some kind of danger. There's no proper shots. [3:25:41] I was worried about his fucking fingers. He shoots a shitty shot in his leg and builds up to the waist well. And then let's go. I know. It's very strange. [3:25:50] Thank you. [3:25:52] I don't know who's going to win this. Like a takedown would be big. Huge. Yeah. It is kind of weird that Goddard isn't saying anything while he's extending his fingers. Get those fucking fingers out of my face, dude. You're literally not supposed to do that. I know. I know. [3:26:03] That's... [3:26:05] I mean, what is the law? I think that is the rule, right? You can't be doing this when people are trying to jab your hand. You can't go out like this or up. [3:26:13] Nope. [3:26:14] No. Can't extend any fingers now. Can you do this? Because now every time you go in, you're worried about getting poked in your eye. [3:26:21] Well, why do we have extended fingers in the first place? Why don't we cover those things with leather? [3:26:27] We've been over this, man. Yeah, we didn't cover it again. [3:26:31] Someone's not listening to us. [3:26:33] Look, eye pokes are a real problem, but the fingers like this... [3:26:38] They don't help you with grappling. You don't do this. Here's the problem. So they changed the gloves before knockdowns went down like 60%, so UFC's all fucked at. But the real issue is as soon as Imovov touches his eye, you should automatically deduct a point. I guarantee you he doesn't do it again. The reason he's getting away with it is because, hey, don't do that again. He's like, yeah, no doubt. That's a very good point, too. Done three times in a row. That's true, too. If there's absolutely black and white, you touch their fucking eye, you lose a point.