February Bonus Episode: Smizing Through the Trauma

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[01:30] How many people were afraid? And holding your hand up. And holding my hand up. How many people were afraid? And Drew can't stop going, Today we're going to learn about acting! [01:39] Just please picture Drew roaming around my home just randomly blowing that up. Just yelling, Today we're going to learn about acting! Also, we're thinking about possibly recording our bonus episodes like on video in the future. Just so you know, like I was just thinking about it because that movement would have been really good. In the hand. So just know that that's something we're thinking about [01:58] I think you guys will dig that. Yeah. These are usually pretty fun. And, you know, we get lively with these. It just means we have to get dressed more, which I did today. So we should have filmed, but we're still swollen. It's fine. Yeah. You know, you're beautiful still. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It's true. You're beautiful. [02:15] So I watched this in one fell swoop. Me too. But I did it later at night, obviously, when the kids went to sleep. And John was with me and my mother-in-law was with me. Oh my God, Karen watched this. They were both horrified to the point where I was almost embarrassed. Oh no. Oh no. Right? Mikey agrees. Mikey had the same experience with Dave, didn't you? Were you almost embarrassed that you watched the show? [02:45] all my favorite shows he's like what's your favorite show and i was like oh i loved like i love uh this show and i also love america's next top model and he was like well like because we were talking about like reality television shows because he loves he is a top chef guy oh i love top chef too but like that like america's next top model was like my my jam yeah he's like okay let's watch it and we started watching it and he was like literally like maybe you're not the

[03:15] gentle little lamb that i thought like the actual show top model i'm dead he was like that'll fry thoroughly thoroughly horrified i was watching this as like a i actually remember when i lived at ma and papa's house back when we like when i was little little me and my mom did we would all watch it in the living room remember which is wild like as i was falling asleep so i watched this when i was like five i think or maybe like a little bit older but so not okay then i think [03:45] either MTV or VH1. And I really watched it a ton in like middle school. Yeah. Which is the worst time to watch it. Anybody my age who was watching this back then, like, yeah, that's why we're all fucked up and have body image issues and all this shit. Oh, yeah. It's horrible. Because also... [04:02] The women that they were referring to as plus size. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Can we just start off right there? We sure can. [04:09] The women there, I am a plus sized woman. [04:12] The women that they were calling plus size were literally size six women. Size six is not plus size. That is ridiculous. Well, not only that, they would refer to them as plus size and make it like... [04:25] A huge, like, ugh. It's going to be hard for you to find work. And then the girls who were not even considered plus size, but, like, that they were sitting there being like, oh, my God, she's getting fat. Yeah. She's huge. We're literally, like, size two. Yeah. Very, like... [04:41] Like normal, typical looking girls, beautiful bodies. Like I just and to have a bunch. It was like one thing to have a bunch of other women critique your body, which is already bad enough. But then to have a bunch of men also sit there in front of you on a panel and be like, yeah, she's getting fat. It's like, yeah.

[04:59] fuck all y'all like sorry not for nothing like obviously all of these girls were like 18 plus but like 18 nine-year-olds getting fucking criticized by 40 year old men weird very weird weird upsetting very weird and ken mock in that documentary okay yeah let's start off there hold on i have a quote from him comes off in my opinion john literally horribly john was like that man is the villain of the century and he should be like [05:25] I don't even know. Here's a quote. Where he should be like run out of town. Here's a quote to confirm that for you. The biggest disaster ever is always the best thing. People have 104 degree temperature. They're throwing up. They need IVs. That's the best news I could ever have. And I believe that. He stood 10 toes down on that. That's verbatim. Like, sir... [05:46] Sure. [05:47] Oh, yeah, when they talk about we'll get into... [05:50] The shandy of it all. Dude. The way he handled that. The way that everybody handled that was fucked. Like, it's that poor woman. To, in my opinion, I know everybody... [06:03] is thinking that the Jays and Nigel are not as bad. And like, here's the thing I will give them. [06:12] Is that they're at least sitting there and being like, yeah, I should have done something and I didn't. I think J. Manuel at one point said like, I wish I had a backbone. Yeah. And I'm like, I do too, sir. Yeah. Because they're all fucking complicit. You were all there. [06:25] And it's like, I don't understand personally, and this is like my own probably character flaw that has served me well in some circumstances, but probably not in others. Like the last place we worked, it did not serve me well. Is I don't understand hierarchy systems. And I don't understand when somebody tells me like...

[06:43] this person is just this way and they're above you so you can't... I'm like, nope, no one is. Like, I don't believe anyone is. It was so funny just, like, in our personal lives to see how that played out because I'm so used to that because... [06:55] I worked in the hair industry. And when you first get into the hair industry, if you want to work anywhere, that's like... [07:01] you know, top tier, quote unquote, you're an apprentice. It's similar to this. And you're a fucking peon and you do what you need to do that has absolutely nothing to do with doing hair. Yep. To get to the top. Yeah. So it was so similar. Exactly. Like I've been in that power dynamic before. And I just did not. And I think it's like my, my brain, the way it works. I just, I logically don't understand hierarchy systems. I think it's your, um, your like justice complex. Yeah. I think it just does not, it never made sense to me. Yeah. And I think here there's sometimes where, uh, [07:31] um you would see like tyra the judges refer to a girl and be like you have authority problems or problems with authority and i'm like no i think they just don't understand this stupid fucking made-up hierarchy that you have that means nothing like you're not above anybody well and tyra would sit there and be like you're a model this is a designer and this is exactly tyra that's the premise of this whole fucking show exactly i also have to say i'm actually shocked that tyra

[08:01] that it was very similar in my opinion to the uh the mom that agreed to do the documentary who was like catfishing her child and you're like why why did you say yes to this that's what you know that's what uh my mother-in-law kept asking she was like why did she agree to do this because she doesn't come off no in the documentary oh she comes off awful and she comes off like very unapologetic they ask her about the shandy situation which again we're gonna go into it and she literally goes [08:27] I wasn't there. I think I remember. [08:29] but like and she's like i wasn't there i wasn't there and you're like wow you don't give a shit at all yeah i think should we really start with the shandy yeah let's because honestly that was the biggest shock for me that broke my heart because i remember and i'm sure you do everybody does everybody does watching that and sitting there going oh my god like i can't believe she cheated on her boyfriend like fuck shandy like i loved shandy me too i thought she was awesome and i even in that moment like when i still thought that she cheated on her boyfriend i was like yeah [08:59] She didn't cheat. [09:01] she was sexually assaulted. Yeah. [09:03] - And, like-- - And-- [09:05] They had, they filmed the entire thing. Yeah. [09:08] What we saw was such an edited down version of everything that occurred. I actually have a quote from Shandy. [09:15] I didn't even feel sex happening. I just knew it was happening. And then I passed out. [09:21] And then they made it into a cheating scandal, complete with Tyra meeting with her the next day. And pretending that she didn't know what happened. Oh, have you ever cheated? You know, I got cheated on, blah, blah, blah. Like acting like friends and just being like, you know. I just casually am bringing up cheating for no reason. And telling her like we can't give in to like our carnal desires, you know, like acting like it was a choice. Yeah.

[09:44] And then filming her talking to her boyfriend, Eric, who like obviously was upset at the time and didn't know that. [09:50] that's what happened yeah but then he like filming her being called a stupid bitch yep by this guy that she had been talking talking about the whole time she's been on the show and being screamed at and demeaned and then not only that the aftermath she said she they tried to work it out i'm sure she probably went home and explained to him the actual reality of the situation and they would be out in public and people would walk by her and call her like a slut and stuff like she got crazy [10:20] show after that and she told her i haven't watched it i can't watch the scene i don't want to and you can tell she's sitting there being like i can't watch it because it's traumatizing of course it is tyra made her fucking watch it and then was like what do you think about that like let's talk about it i was like you're diabolical no and for someone who's been treated shitty in the industry and like it says that and you claim that's your whole reason why you created this show you're [10:49] And that leads us to all the crazy photo shoots that went down. The fucking photo shoots. The race swapping ones. Straight up blackface. And they sat there and they were like, yeah, like, I think Jay himself in that moment is like, I did not want to do that. But you did. Exactly. Not only that. Say something then. They then continued to do similar photo shoots in, in, uh, like the cycles afterwards. They did some where they had women in like Native American headdresses. Yes.

[11:19] at least two full-on blackface swaps like race swapping swaps like photo shoots where they just like went right for it yep those were bad and then there was also the crime scene shoots that they did oh yeah where they were murder victims yep [11:35] And it was like, this is when they had JL, which like rest in peace JL. I know. JL I thought was so fucking cool. I thought she was so cool. And I thought she was beautiful. Yep, all of the above. It's such a bummer. But she had a friend who died while she was there. She got the news while she was there. And her friend had like OD'd, I think. Yep. And then she is in that photo shoot with murder victims or like crime scene victims. No. And she had to do. [12:05] an addict wasn't it no this is the one where they made her like um she had died by strangulation oh is that what she still had to do like a death scene yeah shoot and then that's the same shoot that dion which once again i fucking loved dion when all the girls that they like particularly hated on we were like i fucking love them dion when they made them make up new names for themselves and she called herself hula hay i will never ever i love dion until the end of time forever [12:35] her life i don't even remember that they had to come up with like model names and she came up with what world i love her i love her forever absolutely iconic her mom when she was younger die or didn't excuse me she was paralyzed put in a wheelchair because somebody shot her and then they made her be a shooting victim and then criticized her about not being dead enough in

[13:05] Sorry I was just kind of going through it. Then on top of that Kaylin from another cycle her friend she got similarly to JL news that her friend died and they had her pose in a grave in a grave the next day. That was like 8 feet deep yeah [13:18] Like, [13:19] truly well they also had um they did a shoot with um unhoused and made them dress up as unhoused people and they had to do it with actual unhoused people in the background yeah yep yeah they also did one um model stereotypes where like i remember meg which also i loved meg meg was like the rock and roll yes i loved her yes i thought she was so awesome she had to be a drug addict and her photo [13:49] And her like strung out. And they had another one. I can't remember. There was a set of twins. I think bulimia was one of them. Bulimia. Yeah. One of them had to pose would literally like cake all over her face in a stall of the bathroom. It was fucking crazy. Crazy. Just like. And we're all watching this at the time. Like just being like, whoa, this is nuts. Because also none of those photo shoots were used. Like their portfolios were not usable. Because that's not what models do. Because they were so insane. Yeah. [14:19] I think like the makeup really wasn't good. Yeah. The editing on the photos weren't good. No. I think Danielle. They picked the bad photos. They picked bad photos on purpose. Like you were saying, I think it's during Jade. Yes. The Undiscovered Supermodel. Yes. They play her commercial. I think it was like a Mabel. Covergirl commercial. Covergirl commercial. And she's like, that's my worst take. Yeah. And Tyra gets pissed and she's like, how many of you felt that it was your worst take and literally everybody raises their hand? And it's like, does that not go to show you that that's what was happening there?

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[16:22] I love you. Jade, I hope you're discovered now. I think Jade was a badass. I think she was, of course, she had her moments. Everybody does. She was young. Jade was, remember, she was so mean to Gina. She was really mean to Gina. But I think also they were like definitely set against each other. They were setting that shit up. Yeah, that was not her best. Those were the moments I was not team Jade. No. But team Jade for her confidence. Yes. [16:44] And Team Jade for like, she was pretty fucking funny. Well, and they always just- Like when she was talking about being in like, I think they were called like Tut Tuts, the car, do you remember? No. [16:52] It's when she's sitting there and she's like, I didn't, I like, she didn't want to be in this like open car because they were in like Thailand, I think. Yeah, I think they were in Thailand. And the way she says it, she's like in the... [17:03] in the toot toot. And then she's like, hoopty. She's just the way she says it. I don't know. For some reason, that one shot of her made me laugh so hard. Like her personality is funny. And they gave her the villain edit because she was confident. Yeah, no, they absolutely did. And they always just were like, Jade, you look like you're 40. Jade, you look so old. Meanwhile, Jade had like gorgeous skin. Yeah, she was beautiful. Gorgeous eyes. She was gorgeous. Yeah. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. It was, Jade was one of the ones that got that edit. Camille. [17:33] I think watch the Camille season again. Camille gets fucking railroaded. Camille was just confident. She was pretty fucking quiet and to herself. And everyone was just fucking mean as hell to her. Same thing with Ebony. Ebony, that drove me. They called her Ashy. They called her Tyra. Tyra called her a fellow black woman. And she had some of the most beautiful skin I'd have ever seen. She had gorgeous skin. She's a beautiful woman. They also, during the makeover, which the makeovers were literally to personally victimize these women.

[18:03] ripped her hair out of her head and were just literally sitting there talking about how awful her hair texture was how none of them knew how to do it and she's sitting there while they're talking over her head and like like fucking up her hair and she still looked gorgeous she i was gonna say she still looked great but they ripped her fucking hair out of her head but that was it was the other one was jazlene when she came the first time she had this big personality and they shit all over her for it and then she comes back and kind of tones it down and they're like where's [18:33] like what the fuck there was another girl i can't remember her name but she went super i think it was jenna remember jenna she had like great pictures oh yeah she went really far and was like very talented and they were just like yeah you're boring so they eliminated her molly sue was the same [18:47] Molly Sue I thought was such a good... And they were like, we don't know. We don't get it. We don't get what you are. And... [18:54] Was it Yaya was another one? Yaya. She made a career for herself. Good for Yaya. And they were so fucking, they were also wildly racist to her. Oh, yeah. They had a designer come in and was like, you're just like yelling of your African-ness too much. And it was this white designer, like, or stylist who was like, yeah, like nobody wants to just like be hit over the head with that. Oh, my God. And then when she would get like upset and defensive about that because like. [19:22] that's fucked up because they would be like yeah experience racism well and then she would just get the angry black woman yep thing where they were just like you're being kind of defensive and it's like nope she's just being a human being it's like tyra you're like what the fuck are you doing like why are you oh she tyra herself says that's part of the reason she set out to do this show in the first place and like she wanted to expose this part of the fashion industry but change it

[19:52] young, but [19:53] she had to film with a racist male model this drove me crazy he literally they're all sitting at dinner because like some member they would like go out with the male models like before after the shoot this one was before and he literally looks at her and says like basically i don't like black women literally said that and she's like oh that's insane that we have to i think they literally had to kiss yeah they did the next day they absolutely and then she got eliminated then for that commercial that she's like you didn't kiss him good enough which sounds like [20:23] guys and everybody was like yeah the way they would react to that stuff they were like yeah i don't know that's just like stupid you have to get through it and it's like you don't yeah oh my god so [20:33] Kenya. [20:34] I loved Kenya. I loved Kenya too. I think Kenya is, I thought she was a stunner then. I think she's a stunner now. I thought she was A+. I thought she could have won that. But I also loved Naima. I loved Naima. She was gorgeous. But Kenya was told constantly that she was fat. Which was absolutely insane. Janice, the amount of times that she was like, she's too fat. She's too fat. She's too fat. I'm like, she's beautiful. She said she should be, what was the car thing that she said? [21:04] I think it was about Kenya that she said that. I don't remember what it was. She... [21:08] It was horrible. No matter what it was. No matter what it was. Awful things to women. But they had, so they would call her out for this. [21:13] And then they had her during the seven deadly sins be gluttony. [21:18] And make her lay in a coffin with garbage food all over her. And like...

[21:23] A ridiculous getup. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. And holding a donut in her hand. And so she looks campy. Like she did what she could with the styling she was given. I thought she did a great job. Yeah. Yeah. [21:35] And they were like, they were shitting all over this, basically saying she looks like a drag queen. And it was like, okay... [21:41] shut up. One, that's not an insult. Like one, that's not an insult. And two, you styled her that way. That's your fault. She didn't get dressed. Like you put her in there. And then she's like holding the donut. And Tyra was like, after they've told her, she's fat and disgusting. Yep. Yep. [21:55] And like they literally were like, you need to watch your weight while you're here. Like be careful. Yeah. And they were like, she literally says, I would have liked to see the donut hanging out of your mouth. [22:04] Why? So you could have shit on her about that? That's exactly why she wanted that. And then they go to Africa and everybody else is a gazelle, a fucking giraffe. Like these gorgeous animals. All these beautiful, graceful creatures. An ostrich. Yeah. They make her a fucking elephant. And don't you dare tell me that that was like, whoops, that just happened. Oh, that's crazy. They made her a goddamn elephant. And then they shit all over telling her they had to retouch her so much and blah, blah, blah. And it's like. [22:32] what are you getting out of this? They also would like zoom in on her stomach and like when she was like in a weird position so it would make her still look like a normal fucking person but it wasn't like the greatest angle and she's like they would zoom in. They edited her eating a bagel so it looked like she ate three bagels and she's like that was the same bagel that I was eating. They just made it seem like I was just pounding bagels to the face. Yeah. Which is like damn.

[23:02] They did the shoot where they were dancing with like three guys and this one model Bertini. [23:08] was already fucking all over her shit and making her uncomfortable. And they're doing this dancing thing and he's touching her and like grinding up on her. He's like grabbing her ass. And he's like grunting and shit in her face. [23:21] So she did what... [23:22] any woman should be able to do and said, pause. Hey, I'm a little uncomfortable right now. He's kind of like groaning up on me. I'm very uncomfortable. First of all, [23:32] They were all aggravated by her stopping. Like, Jay can pretend that he wishes he had done something. I'm sure he does. But he needs to own the fact that at the moment, he seemed annoyed that she had stopped. And everybody else did, too. Yup. Yup. [23:46] And they basically were like, yeah, okay. At one point, Jay had to say, like, don't grab her. Maybe stop grabbing her ass. Maybe. Like, he was, and it's like, what, you, so you see that it's a problem. It's like, take him off set. If the guy, if the male model is grabbing the ass. You take him off. And she says she's uncomfortable. Goodbye. And I will say, Jay said in an interview, he wished he had a backbone during that. And he wished he had said stop and taken him off set. Yeah. And it's like, that's nice that you recognize that now. But like, where were you in the moment when she was dealing with it?

[24:16] about stopping the shoot because like as women you never want to bother anybody or you know say something's happening and she said to herself what would tyra do yeah and i think this is how tyra would handle it hey [24:28] I would like... And they shit all over her for it. And Tyra herself was like, no. In judging, they literally were like... So she was like, hey, so this was happening. First of all, they picked a photo where he was touching her. Literally grabbing her ass. Like literally grabbing her leg. Yep. And she's like, that wasn't a coincidence. Yep. And... [24:46] They basically tell her, like, Nigel's like, well, you need to be in control in that situation. [24:51] It's like, but sometimes I'm not. And also, I'm sorry, man. You can't tell a woman I need to be in control there when I'm trying to take control. That's the thing. She tried to take control. And no one's doing anything. And he's sitting there being like, there's cameras all around. There's people all around. Yeah, no one protected her. That's the problem. That's even worse. You're all sitting there saying, oh, well, there's so many people around. Why was she feeling uncomfortable? Because a whole sea of people were doing nothing to protect her. That's why she felt uncomfortable. And then... [25:18] Tyra sits there and says well you can do it and say like you know boy you better like back up off me but she's like but do it in a fun way yeah where it doesn't put static in the air stop sexual harassment in a fun way well we don't want to make the sexual harasser uncomfortable we don't want to do that we don't want to make the man who's touching you without your permission to be uncomfortable with the situation yes we do like Tyra what I'm off set [25:41] And there's so many times during this where it was like, [25:45] You are peons and you should endure this behavior. Because this... And also it's like... This is the industry. You're wanting people to sign up for this. Yeah. And this is the way you're treating them. Fuck that shit. And you're sitting here like, again, saying you want to expose the industry. Yeah. You're being the industry right now. So...

[26:01] And also the amount of dangerous runways they put these women on. Runways and photo shoots. Yeah. The runways, though. Like the pendulum one. The pendulum one could have killed a woman. That's insane. There was also one where they had to walk on like docks on the water. Yep. The runway was on the water and one of them had her hands like there was like no way for them to be apart. Yeah, like the arms of her hand. It was like a straitjacket almost in front of her. So if she fell, she's drowning. Yo. Like what the fuck? [26:31] do have to say, but the one where... Who was it? Melrose in... Oh, yes. Carrie D. Carrie D. And all the lights go off and they're, like, running through the fashion show as the brides. I loved that. Which also... [26:43] Melrose. Melrose. She got a bad rap. Melrose is another one. Yeah. And I think Melrose should have won. I actually do too. I liked Carrie D. I really did. But I think Melrose was, I think she was robbed. And I think she was given such a villain edit that whole season. I remember you were, and I were talking about it. When we originally watched it, I was like, Melrose is such a bitch. And now I watch it and I'm like, [27:05] what the hell was I thinking? You're like, it goes from Melrose is such a bitch to Melrose is that bitch. She is that bitch. Yeah. Because then we go for like, [27:13] that same season, Carrie D, like when they did that photo shoot in the pool and she got legitimate hypothermia. The fact that a woman literally got hypothermia. And they were like annoyed. The whole, I think the whole premise of that photo shoot was like, we're going to subject you to extreme temperatures because that's being a model. Yeah. Get in this freezing cold pool. And then they blamed her at judging when she was like, yeah, I got hypothermia. Isn't that crazy? They were like, you really need to know your limits. Yeah.

[27:40] And she was like, but I thought you would get mad at me if I stopped. And I think she did try to stop or like pause at least. And they were like, oh, okay, you're being mad. And then they're like, know your limits. She's like, I tried to tell you my limits and you were mad. Like, excuse me? And the same thing with Cara D that always annoyed me was... [27:59] It was during the thing where they had to pretend to be like matadors. Oh, my God. When she told Nigel to take the stick out of his ass. That's one of my favorite scenes. All she said during that was, oh, did you take that out of your ass since last panel? That was hilarious. Get over yourself. That's a funny joke. They lit her up. Yeah. She almost got eliminated over that. Oh, yeah. And like they lit her up over that. I was like... [28:22] I thought that we could take a joke. No. I thought that was a funny joke. I thought that was hilarious. It's because it's a man. It's true. He was not happy with that joke. Fun fact. I once saw Nigel at the airport. [28:33] Oh, yeah. I didn't say hi to him. I forgot about that. I feel like he, I don't know Nigel, but I didn't feel like I wanted to be like, oh my God, I don't know. Hi. You're like, don't say anything to me, please. Yeah, but I saw him in a restaurant. I, yeah, I thought that, I thought that joke was supposed to be lighthearted and funny. It was. Like, I will say maybe Nigel handled it even, I'll say, a little better than they did at panel. I don't even remember. I think he just, like. He kind of took her aside and was like, you don't really know me. Yeah. So, like, don't make that joke. [29:03] shat all over because then they turned it into he turned it into like hey you just don't know me yeah like making that joke is weird to make when you don't know me yeah which is fair which i can get on board for that panel they were like he's a photographer and you're a little bitch and you're not allowed to do that and it's like can we not turn it into that and just make it like hey you don't know me so don't make that joke everything became a hierarchy though yeah

[29:26] It was, I mean, remember Brooke? [29:30] who was like just she was literally oh and they sent her home the day she was graduating high school that was this okay not only that by the way they didn't send these girls home i remember and obviously all of us watching were like oh my god like now they're on a plane and going home and that's so sad nope they got sequestered so they literally just moved out of the model house and into like hotel rooms yeah so they had to film packing their bags and then they just had [30:00] season so that they like didn't tell anybody else what had happened like couldn't go home couldn't and couldn't call anybody or anything like that that's fucking crazy so like your dreams as like an 18 to like early 20 something girl just got absolutely crushed yeah and now you're just sitting alone in a hotel room yeah after they've probably promoted that like you should have an eating disorder yeah like that's good that's great that's awesome that's very was there any mental health people on no no of course not no and it's like i feel like they would do that shit on purpose like [30:30] the day she was graduating high school. Absolutely. That's not a fucking coincidence. And then I think Tyra was like, you graduated. You just didn't walk. I'm like, you're an asshole. Yeah, no, you're an asshole. And also for, I think she was eliminated for a photo shoot that they had to do with Fabio. Fabio. [30:44] And I was like, she's like [30:46] a baby yeah and this is like a romance shoot with fabio about the fabio like are we really that's where we're sending her home yeah she couldn't get that into it with fabio yeah she's a literal child well now can we can we take it down a notch everybody other thing too they would it would be like

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[32:34] And then [32:35] It's weird to be talking about, like, freshly out of high school young girls in those terms. Absolutely. Like, there was one, the season with... [32:46] Like Marjorie. [32:48] And Samantha. [32:50] She's like tall blonde just out of high school literally months earlier. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. [32:55] They did a Jeremy Scott runway show. Jeremy. And they were blindfolded. Jeremy with his... With his mullet bangs. Mullet ass. He... The way he talked to this girl, I was like, shame. Shame. Because they... Seeing a panel of adults... [33:11] Sit there and allow these women to, these young women, girls, to be talked to and humiliated like this. They should be fucking ashamed of themselves. And again, I don't get the hierarchy here at all. No. It's weird. Because she was, they did the runway show. [33:24] And apparently everything was fine. She gets in there blindfolded in the runway because, of course, that's real. Obviously. And she gets to the end and she puts her hands on her hips and she kind of like moves her hips back and forth. And it was a short dress. So it slightly rode up, not even like crazy. But mind you, he said, show me your personality. Show me your personality. [33:45] at the panel. [33:47] He sits there and this girl is fresh out of high school, months out of high school. He berates her, tells her it's not her show. She's not a rock star. And then he goes, I don't know, did you see a pole at the end of the runway? [34:00] Oh, I'm sorry. Are you saying that to a freshly 18 year old, you fucking piece of shit? Yeah, that's just like that's the weirdest shit to say to someone. First of all, to say that to any woman. Fuck you.

[34:12] fuck you yoke and then two to say that to a young girl check yourself and the other thing that you were saying earlier several times he did it was fucked he said he said that she was a combination of a truck driver and a stripper jesus christ yeah you were saying it too she had met him before and she really admired him like she liked his he said they had a great conversation and they had a great combo and then she thought it was a dozen and like just fucking humiliate her on national television yep [34:38] wild wild speaking of humiliating people on national television we would be absolutely remiss to not mention the tiffany of it all which by the way in they touch on it in the in the documentary series so much of that flip out that tyra had was edited down yeah and they literally said that i think it was um mr j said that lawyers were on oh yeah next day they all [35:08] Like you would not believe some of the things that were said. Which I'm like, what the fuck was that? And I don't know if they had to sign like NDAs or something. Like it seems serious. And here's the problem. [35:20] Tiffany, so she got eliminated. She walked over to the girls. She was kind of joking with them being like, it's okay. It's okay. She was there teaching these girls. One of the things they're trying to teach them is to take rejection because they're going to face it a lot. So she's handling the rejection. She's saying, you know what? It's okay. It's fine. Like just being chill. [35:40] not only that also by the way Tiffany had done so Tiffany had literally completed anger management courses because like she was struggling with her anger yeah and she came back for a second time and killed it and killed it got eliminated and handled it really well yeah like that should have been like actually she should have pulled to be honest should have pulled her back up there been like Tiffany I'm really fucking proud of you for how you handled this right like you've come so far this shows me that you're gonna go far because you have taken what you have learned

[36:10] supplied it here like good on you but that's what it should have been instead tyra's pissed that she didn't break into a thousand pieces in front of her and so she decided well i'm gonna make her break into a thousand pieces in front of her and she fucking [36:24] rails into her. I mean... I've never in my life y'all did a girl like this! That's where the we were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. How dare you! Comes from humiliating her. She also sits there and like humiliates her family. She's like, your grandmother got her lights turned off for this. For you to be in this competition. Yeah. Like... [36:45] You don't take it to a place. You don't take it to that level no matter what. And you don't, in the middle of that, take it to a place of talking about her family situation. No. That's none of your fucking business. And she... [36:56] She handled the rejection humbly. She did. I loved Tiffany. I thought she was hilarious. I really liked her. And I just, I could not, that stressed me out when I watched it when it was on and it stresses me out now when I watch it. I can't. [37:13] that's so humiliating and demeaning. Yeah. And then for Tyra to just kind of be like, eh, like she really, she sat there and her, everyone was saying her inspector gadget, fucking trench coat. That was wild. And she gave up nothing. Nothing. [37:26] She gave up. [37:26] She really didn't. At one point she says, you know what? You're all going to have to face some shit sometime. And I hope you do it with like Grace essentially being like. I didn't come up with a show about young models. I did not come up with a model. Subjecting them to crazy ass like hair makeovers and cold pools and shit. Like babe, I'm not going to get called out for this. I wasn't sitting there calling all these girls fat. No. Like while saying that you wanted to change the industry. And sitting there saying like, I hope you all have to answer, Tyra. You

[37:56] For nothing you basically said like Well it was of the time It was production was there I wasn't Yeah it wasn't me I don't know [38:04] It was just real shitty. Or the, what was the, was it the Tiffany thing? No, it was the Shandy thing that she said she didn't want to talk about. Oh yeah, she literally goes, she was like, [38:13] Yeah, I kind of remember what happened. Yeah. [38:16] with shandy wow and then it was the jay thing she didn't want to talk about the jay thing she didn't want to talk about the thing that i just thought was the absolute funniest thing throughout the entire documentary was at the end when tyra was like and like when you get called out blah blah blah and then the screen was like and danielle was like that's a bunch of bullshit i love danielle love danielle for life and danielle i thought she was a queen then i thought she was a queen now [38:46] so happy when they i was so pissed off that they were trying to get her to close her gap and that she sat there and she stood her ground she was like no i love my gap my gap makes me me tyra was so mad she was seeing this woman sit there confidently saying this is who i am this is i'm going to get there with this pissed her off so much you could see it yeah well she just wouldn't it was she was relentless she would be like you really think and at one point remember she stuck

[39:16] I was like, [39:18] fuck you like meanwhile does anybody get the london look yeah hello with the giant gap it's gorgeous girl and then like i've cut i don't even know if it was like the next season or if it was a couple later opened a girl they gave a girl a huge ass which shows you exactly what it was all it was wild and then while we're talking about dental procedures joanie joanie's dental procedure she literally has dental issues with her bite and like god only knows what else to this day [39:46] However many years later, they fucked her mouth up. They forced veneers onto her teeth. [39:52] Which are so like that. You have to continuously get that fix. Do you remember her when they had already shaved her teeth down and they had like they had to send her home for a wait and she's like, and these are our teeth. She's like, look at my teeth. Oh my God, Joanie. Girl. [40:07] - And just having her endure that, [40:10] And then just pose for a photo shoot the next day. They also would like, and back to Danielle really quick. What really pissed me off. Oh, I know exactly where you're going. Tyra harped on her fucking accent and was so... [40:23] mean about it like so offensive super offensive and would like and she would like mock her and be like you really think you're gonna get a contract like this and i was like oh like i was like that's where she comes from like fuck you i love her accent yeah i love danielle i loved her the whole way through and when she got she had to go to uh the hospital in thailand she had to go to the hospital in thailand because she had food poisoning dehydration and exhaustion and nigel said you're kind of high maintenance aren't you

[40:50] uh no i was just sick bro and also if you remember she left the hospital early like i'm pretty sure against medical advice she did she didn't want to get eliminated yeah [41:00] like hello it was just like guys and then the thing that actually i think that the biggest thing for me i think this really was the biggest was danielle like she won right she was one of the winners yeah and then she went on and she lived in this model house oh yeah and she's sitting there month month after month day after day not really getting any jobs and all these other girls are getting jobs and finally one of the girls that she was close with was like [41:24] told her like I talked to an agent and I asked why doesn't Danielle ever get booked on jobs and it's like because her portfolio doesn't work none of these things work and like we have to treat them differently because they were on reality tv and Danielle said she later had a conversation with Tyra and Tyra admitted I knew that there was going to be certain doors that just wouldn't open for you guys because you were on reality tv and I didn't do anything about it and it's like why did [41:54] many cycles like what is there like 24 cycles total yeah [41:58] Like, what the fuck? You knew what you were doing. This was never a show. The biggest takeaway from this documentary is that this was never a show for young aspiring models. This was a show... [42:10] to humiliate women and just subject them to like national quality. Yeah, it really was. Like one more one that I was just thinking about, Takara. Yep. I loved Takara. I loved Takara too. She was another one that they beat the personality out of. Yep. She had this amazing personality and then they just beat her down. And then shit all over her about being beat down. Yep. And I remember she was at a photo shoot. And they didn't have any clothes for her. And the stylist was like,

[42:40] fuck you. Like, I was like, I can't, and then she, they put her in like this big orange fucking valet button up shirt and khakis. And she quote unquote didn't sell it. Yeah. And judged her based on that. I was like, come on. It's like nobody was going to make that look good. And she still looked good. And also, she, [42:57] Hey, dumbasses. [42:59] We all know you knew she was coming. That's the other thing. You can absolutely get clothes. Like that's on you guys. That's not on Takara. Yeah. But they put it all on her. Such bullshit. And then they shit all over her for getting beaten down. Yep. [43:12] It just, oh, it always made me so mad. Yeah, there was just, that documentary was wild. Oh, and then recently somebody, I don't know if it was somebody at UPN or if it was CW, because part of the documentary was like Tyra said she had to fire the two J's and Nigel. It recently came out that she was allegedly never told that she had to fire them. Allegedly. Allegedly. That's what one person who works there said. You know what I'm interested in? [43:42] other documentary comes out the other one next week next month oh is it next month yeah i think it's march [43:48] Something. 16, I think. Oh, so it's like really like a few weeks. So I think we should also do another one when that one comes out. Absolutely. Because I think that's going to have more of the contestants on it and I'm interested to see. Apparently that one's also going to have Janice. Yeah. That's going to be wild. Which, ugh. [44:02] Janice was fucking horrible. She was. She was really mean to those girls. I think she was also like really struggling with mental health and addiction back then. So maybe she is going to look back and say that she regrets some of that behavior. I hope so. Because it's no excuse to treat people like shit. Exactly. So I hope it's a...

[44:17] Hope is something she regrets. I hope so. If you guys haven't watched the documentary, I thought the parts where the contestants were speaking. Yeah, I wanted more of that. Were really good. I think the... [44:29] Tyra really just didn't give a lot in my opinion. Tyra gave nothing. I think she gave nothing. It was just passing the buck and making faces. And then Jay and Nigel and Miss J, which also like I feel so bad about what happened to Miss J. I do too. I loved Miss J. I really liked Miss J. I mean. The other thing is I think Miss J wasn't really there. Like Miss J was like the walking coach. Yeah. And then was like on panels. Also Miss J had some moments. Yeah. [44:50] where they were not... [44:52] they were not great yeah so it's like they were all part of this yeah there was no no doubt about that and it's like but they all acknowledge at least the three of them are acknowledging that it was bad i will give them that but i do think like you got to take some responsibility yeah take a little more accountability um but uh that miss j suffered a stroke yeah and like obviously like they all worked together for years and years and years yeah and tyra never went to visit miss j [45:22] Yeah. According to... According to the doc, as of the doc. That was... Really sad. Yeah, that was sad. Because also, like... [45:29] Miss J literally taught Tyra how to walk. [45:33] Yeah. [45:34] It was wild. I know. And the fact that Miss J is now having to relearn how to walk killed me. But I think she will again. I absolutely think so. Yeah. [45:44] When when J Manuel, Mr. J, when he he tried to leave because he was being like, yeah, I'm good with this. You could tell, too. And he says it, too. Like when you look at his face when he's presenting certain photo shoots, you can tell it's like because it got like he I think he was the creative director in the beginning. But then he he wasn't the creative director after a while. Like who who knows who was coming up with the shoots? He was just presenting them. Yeah. And that was after he tried to leave. Yeah.

[46:11] And I think he talked to her. He sent this big, long, thought-out thing, and she had responded just, I'm disappointed. I am disappointed. And then she iced him out and would not speak to him. Yeah. Like, and actually made it such a, which makes it a horrible working environment when someone does that. Yeah, it's a toxic work environment. And then fired him. Yes. And however many seasons after. But the other thing is, if you watch, and they show little clips of it in the documentary, you know, [46:36] I think this season that he comes back after he basically just wasn't allowed to leave is the cruise ship one. And she's like joking with him on the panel. And you can see on his face that he's like... [46:48] what the fuck? That he's like confused? Like why are you joking with me? Because like clearly you're being like just like completely ignoring me off camera and then on camera you're like LOL best friends. Mm-hmm. [46:57] Yeah. [46:58] It's a wild documentary. It is. And it's just like this is all the stuff that has come out. Yeah. Imagine the stuff that just like hasn't hit the surface yet. And I think when we hear more from the contestants in this next documentary that's coming out, I think we're going to get even more. Yeah. I think so too. I'm interested to... [47:16] To hear it. And we can do another one of these to like kind of go over what happens in that one because I'm sure there's going to be new shit that comes out. Yeah, definitely. [47:25] Yeah, it's definitely, it's eye opening. It's worth the watch for sure. Yeah, I would say so. But it's really disturbing. It is disturbing. Drew said he fell asleep like on the last episode and he said he had really weird dreams. Yeah, that John, I didn't like it. John literally was like, I'm, he couldn't finish it. He was like disturbed by it. Yeah. Like couldn't imagine. He was like, this is awful. It's probably weird for like men to see what women are subjected to on a pretty regular basis. It's probably weird for them to be like, what the fuck? Wait, what?

[47:55] so yeah i mean i think i think we pretty much hit everything that we wanted to yeah but i'm like you said i'm excited to hit more when the new one comes out but let us know what like your favorite moments of the or not favorite moments but just like jaw dropping yeah shocking moments were in the comments yeah um i know there's probably stuff that we didn't even touch upon because there's so much yeah so let's chat let's yeah let's let's really work through this let's work through this guys let's let's heal together millennials let's work together all right guys [48:25] episode for February. We'll be back next month with our March bonus, and that is going to have a special guest. We're going to be reading Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell. So if you haven't read that, definitely read it. Yeah. If you have read it and it's been a while, brush up on it. It is. So good. Elena's read it like a million times. I have. I love it. I'm reading it for the first time right now, and it's really, really good. Trust me. And we are going to have Chef Riley on the pod for that. Yay. I'm so excited. I've followed Chef Riley forever. He's the best. [48:55] because he himself has a book coming out in March. It's called A Little Bit Extra. So definitely go follow him on Instagram at Chef Riley Meehan. You won't be disappointed. You will not be disappointed. And our bonus episode is actually coming out March 31st, which is the day that Chef Riley's book drops. So definitely go pre-order that. Woo! And tune into the episode. [49:15] Do it. And I think that's it. It's going to be fun. Okay, we love you guys so much. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But that's our weirdest Hara Banks spot. Yeah, don't.

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